More "You Exist, you pay" from HMG

[Tallulah]

I'm going to have to seriously look into this - like NOW - as my three kids' passports are due to expire next year....and mine in 2015 (although I'll be renewing my British passport) - I'm wondering if it's probably worth going for a dual passport for the kids as their dad is Spanish. They'll have to have a DNI anyway by the time they're 14 for school paperwork anyway. Anyone done this on here??

[Tallulah]

Originally Posted by Tallulah

I'm going to have to seriously look into this - like NOW - as my three kids' passports are due to expire next year....and mine in 2015 (although I'll be renewing my British passport) - I'm wondering if it's probably worth going for a dual passport for the kids as their dad is Spanish. They'll have to have a DNI anyway by the time they're 14 for school paperwork anyway. Anyone done this on here??

Not a dual passport, but not relinquishing their UK one and obtaining a Spanish one for them...question remains though. Any experiences out there on this?

[Pesky Wesky]

Originally Posted by Tallulah

Not a dual passport, but not relinquishing their UK one and obtaining a Spanish one for them...question remains though. Any experiences out there on this?

You can't do that Tallulah. You're either Spanish or British. The non relinquishing of passports is for US citizens etc (and it's not really legal for them but they're not asked to relinquish their passports but we are)

You once asked me why would I choose to "become Spanish" Well this is one of the reasons!

[Tallulah]

Originally Posted by Pesky Wesky

You can't do that Tallulah. You're either Spanish or British. The non relinquishing of passports is for US citizens etc (and it's not really legal for them but they're not asked to relinquish their passports but we are)

You once asked me why would I choose to "become Spanish" Well this is one of the reasons!

Morning PW!

You have a dd though and your OH is Spanish too - what did you sort out for her? Although mine were born in the UK and have British passports, I'm assuming that because my OH is Spanish and we're now resided here, that they could be entitled to Spanish passports??

[Pesky Wesky]

Originally Posted by Tallulah

Morning PW!

You have a dd though and your OH is Spanish too - what did you sort out for her? Although mine were born in the UK and have British passports, I'm assuming that because my OH is Spanish and we're now resided here, that they could be entitled to Spanish passports??

Hello Tallulah!
How's things!
I didn't have anything to sort out, she was born here so she's Spanish. I don't think she needs a British passport.
It's soil not blood that matters. That's what a friend of mine was told when asking about his daughter's nationality. He's British, the mother is from the USA, and the daughter is Spanish coz she was born here, so that's 3 passports in that family. And as Britain doesn't recognize dual nationality...
I also know a family who are US and Algerian and they have 3 passports each because they've just got Spanish nationalty. But it took them over 4 years to get nationality for the 4 family members and constant, constant problems. However they did do it themselves and didn't go to a gestor.

[Liberty]

Originally Posted by JBODEN

I have had to explain to a few of them that it was I and other tax payers who were employing them - so in a sense I was their boss. Their stock reply was that they paid taxes too, but I pointed out the fallacy in their logic in that the 'taxes' that they were paying was my money in the first place.
:

Oh......My.....God.

Please tell me that you don't actually believe what you just wrote!

It's like saying "I pay my taxes, so I own this hospital", or "I pay my taxes so this primary school belongs to me".

Those officials must have been thinking what an a***hole when you came out with that old chestnut.

[JBODEN]

Originally Posted by Liberty

Oh......My.....God.

Please tell me that you don't actually believe what you just wrote!

It's like saying "I pay my taxes, so I own this hospital", or "I pay my taxes so this primary school belongs to me".

Those officials must have been thinking what an a***hole when you came out with that old chestnut.

I wasn't talking about property I was talking about Civil Servants' wages. If they aren't paid from our taxes then from where?
If these CS's start getting stropy they need to be put in their places, don't you think? ... or maybe we should kowtow to them?!
PS. My brother is a CS.

[Pesky Wesky]

Originally Posted by Pesky Wesky

Hello Tallulah!
How's things!
I didn't have anything to sort out, she was born here so she's Spanish. I don't think she needs a British passport.
It's soil not blood that matters. That's what a friend of mine was told when asking about his daughter's nationality. He's British, the mother is from the USA, and the daughter is Spanish coz she was born here, so that's 3 passports in that family. And as Britain doesn't recognize dual nationality...
I also know a family who are US and Algerian and they have 3 passports each because they've just got Spanish nationalty. But it took them over 4 years to get nationality for the 4 family members and constant, constant problems. However they did do it themselves and didn't go to a gestor.

And they are oops were non EU

[Liberty]

Originally Posted by JBODEN

I wasn't talking about property I was talking about Civil Servants' wages. If they aren't paid from our taxes then from where?
If these CS's start getting stropy they need to be put in their places, don't you think? ... or maybe we should kowtow to them?!
PS. My brother is a CS.

Their wages do come from our taxes. And where do our taxes come from? Our salaries, paid by our employers. And where does our employer's money come from? Their clients. And where does their clients' money come from? Well, that line of argument could just go on and on getting more and more ridiculous. So who really is paying their wages??? And does it even matter!!!

The one thing that I am very clear about is that you are not their boss, and you have absolutely no authority over them whatsoever regardless of whether your taxes "pay their wages" or not.

The old "I pay your wages" line (when of course you don't!) is such a cliché and shame on anyone who uses it.

[jojo]

Originally Posted by Liberty

Their wages do come from our taxes. And where do our taxes come from? Our salaries, paid by our employers. And where does our employer's money come from? Their clients. And where does their clients' money come from? Well, that line of argument could just go on and on getting more and more ridiculous. So who really is paying their wages??? And does it even matter!!!

The one thing that I am very clear about is that you are not their boss, and you have absolutely no authority over them whatsoever regardless of whether your taxes "pay their wages" or not.

The old "I pay your wages" line (when of course you don't!) is such a cliché and shame on anyone who uses it.

Apart from civil servants of course!!!!!!!! Cos their clients are???????????????


Jo xxx