Residency Certificates, NIE numbers & Padrón

[xabiachica]

Originally Posted by Yossa

I´ve got to go and sort this is, but have a few questions.

1) as an EU Citizen (British national) wishing to apply for residency, I fill in EX18? I live in Spain with my Spanish OH and am not here "temporarily". Given my partner is Spanish, I´m guessing I don´t need a family residency (EX19). Is that correct?

2) I´m here to work and play (oodles!), but guess I can´t answer Work and Social on the form. What would your recommendation be?

3) The section for legal representative. Is this purely for people who´ve submitted through an agent?

4) Photo´s and Fingerprints. Are there any rules re photos? I know in UK, I had to be wearing dark clothes for passport and in Germany, you need an ear showing (I kid you not). Is the fingerprint thing a requirement, not that its an issue, just want to be clear and be prepared to sort it all ooot!

Apologies if I´m repeating questions already asked, but at 47 pages, this thread is a tad big to trawl through.

PS - I tried the thread tools, but the printable version option is just a web version sans webby prettification and still requires you to click through 47 pages

1 - EX18
2 - we put social for my dad, but it wasn't the EX18 when we did his - though it apparently had already changed at that point they accepted the old form
3 - yes - that's if you have someone doing it for you
4 - passport sized from a booth is fine
5 - again -old form & didn't ask for fingerprints


PS - have you tried just printing the web version? I just opened it & pressed print & my printer came to life...............

Originally Posted by xabiachica

PS - have you tried just printing the web version? I just opened it & pressed print & my printer came to life...............

Thanks for that advice. I like to be prepared for eventualities and not get caught on the hop. Still, this is Spain...

Re printing - it only prints the first page, 10 thread posts, not all 47 pages. Being a geek, I looked on Vbulletin´s forum (peeps behind forum s/w) and can´t find anything meaningful about this issue. My idea was to print to PDF, do a cafeine-powered read/edit and send it back to you guys to edit as downloadable guide.

Ho hum

[xabiachica]

Originally Posted by Yossa

Thanks for that advice. I like to be prepared for eventualities and not get caught on the hop. Still, this is Spain...

Re printing - it only prints the first page, 10 thread posts, not all 47 pages. Being a geek, I looked on Vbulletin´s forum (peeps behind forum s/w) and can´t find anything meaningful about this issue. My idea was to print to PDF, do a cafeine-powered read/edit and send it back to you guys to edit as downloadable guide.

Ho hum

oooohhh

I thought you meant the form

very kind of you to offer - but if you ever do read through the entire thread you'll realise that 'how to' is different everywhere, depending on the day of the week & who is sitting behind the desk

[stevesainty]

Hi all, I thought that I would try to apply for an NIE at the Edinburgh Consulate when we next visit my eldest DD who has lived in Edinburgh since she left home to go to university.

I have had a look at filling in the attached form EX15.

This is the form for applying for an NIE without registering as an extranjero, i.e. getting an NIE without being resident in Spain.

There is no place to put your UK address, I thought it should have been in section 3.

Section 4.1 I take it that I just check the box for NIE and leave certificado blank.
Section 4.2 por intereses sociales, Comprar una casa en España
section 4.3 Oficina consular
Section 4.4 Estancia and Consiento

So so far I have filled in section 1 apart from a Spanish address and the legal representitive, and section 4, the rest is blank. This can't be correct surely?

[dijiste]

OK, I have read all 47 and a bit pages of this thread, and I'm still not sure I know the answer to my question...

I arrive in Navarra on Tues to start work as a teacher on Thurs. I was planning to go the Oficina de Extranjeros on Wednesday to sort out getting my NIE/name on the residents' list. However, I have no address in Spain until I find somewhere to live, and I assume I can't get a rental agreement without an NIE.

So is it possible to get my NIE without an address? Could I put the address of the school, perhaps?

Also, I would like to get a bank account asap, since I need to give the details to the local govt for my employment contract. Should I wait until I get an address/NIE for this?

As you can tell, I'm unsure about the order in which to do things! Would be grateful for any advice from the more experienced. I will be living in Tudela, which has an Oficina de Extranjeros.

[jojo]

it is a bit of a marathon isnt it. We do go thru it every now and again, but Spain does change things frequently and not just rules, but areas are different too.

However, I can tell you that you can get an NIE number without an address (and you can rent a property without an NIE number). You go to the foreigners office and - well take it from there, some will do it straight away, others will give you an appointment. TOP TIP: take photo copies of everything you have thats vaguely official - passport, UK address, birth certificate, contract of employment ! You can open a non residents bank account (again take those photocopies), which you can change to resident once you have an address.

Once you have your NIE number and an address, you will need to get a social security number! So you need to locate your local employment office INEM office and..... take photo copies of everything, including your NIE number/residencia

Jo xxx

[dijiste]

Originally Posted by jojo

it is a bit of a marathon isnt it. We do go thru it every now and again, but Spain does change things frequently and not just rules, but areas are different too.

However, I can tell you that you can get an NIE number without an address (and you can rent a property without an NIE number). You go to the foreigners office and - well take it from there, some will do it straight away, others will give you an appointment. TOP TIP: take photo copies of everything you have thats vaguely official - passport, UK address, birth certificate, contract of employment ! You can open a non residents bank account (again take those photocopies), which you can change to resident once you have an address.

Once you have your NIE number and an address, you will need to get a social security number! So you need to locate your local employment office INEM office and..... take photo copies of everything, including your NIE number/residencia

Jo xxx

Hi Jo, thank you very much for your quick and very helpful reply.

I have just found the new EX18 form online and have been filling in the bits I can answer. You would think I would have better things to do on a Saturday night, but apparently not!

I have left the space for NIE blank - I assume from that which I've read on here that I will be given an NIE as part of the process. I will also leave the first line of the address blank.

I'm a bit unclear about how to fill in section 8, but if I leave it blank I'm sure they will help me when I get there. I would like to put permanent, though under this section the options seem to indicate special circumstances which I don't think apply to me.

And yes, it certainly is a marathon, especially with the variations across the country, and even within the same office! I am considering also completing the old forms EX14 and EX16, in case the staff in Tudela haven't seen the new one yet...

I think I will be doing a fair bit of photocopying tomorrow.

Thanks again.

[stevesainty]

Whilst trawling through lots of threads on this and other forums i came across this information. Apparently you cannot now apply for an NIE by granting power of attorney. You have to either apply in person in Spain or apply in person to the Spanish Consulate in your own country. It seems like the Spanish government are tightening up on fraud/money laundering.

As far as I know this change has not yet filtered down through the system yet so it may still be possible to get an NIE through POA, but not for much longer.

The five days quoted for an NIE to be issued through the Consulate only starts when the application reaches Madrid. To cut costs the Consulates are only sending non urgent stuff to Madrid every fortnight.

/SNIP/

see decreto 577/2011 art 206
http://extranjeros.mtin.es/es/Normat...-2011-7703.PDF

Artí**** 206. Número de identidad de extranjero.

1. Los extranjeros a cuyo favor se inicie un procedimiento para obtener un documento que les habilite para permanecer en territorio español que no sea un visado, aquéllos a los que se les haya incoado un expediente administrativo en virtud de lo dispuesto en la normativa sobre extranjería y aquellos que por sus intereses económicos, profesionales o sociales se relacionen con España serán dotados, a los efectos de identificación, de un número personal, único y exclusivo, de carácter secuencial.

2. El número personal será el identificador del extranjero, que deberá figurar en todos los documentos que se le expidan o tramiten, así como en las diligencias que se estampen en su pasaporte o documento análogo, salvo en los visados.

3. El número de identidad del extranjero, NIE, deberá ser concedido de oficio, por la Dirección General de la Policía y de la Guardia Civil, en los supuestos mencionados en el apartado 1, salvo en el caso de los extranjeros que se relacionen con España por razón de sus intereses económicos, profesionales o sociales, que deberán interesar de dicho órgano la asignación del indicado número, siempre que concurran los siguientes requisitos:

a) Que no se encuentren en España en situación irregular.

b) Que se comuniquen los motivos por los que solicitan la asignación de dicho número.

Los extranjeros que se relacionen con España por razón de sus intereses económicos, profesionales o sociales podrán solicitar personalmente el NIE a la Dirección General de la Policía y de la Guardia Civil, directamente o a través de las Oficinas de Extranjería o Comisarías de policía. En el caso de que el extranjero no se encuentre en territorio español en el momento de la solicitud, solicitará la asignación de NIE a la Comisaría General de Extranjería y Fronteras, a través de las Oficinas Consulares de España en el exterior.

El procedimiento habrá de ser resuelto en el plazo máximo de cinco días desde la entrada de la solicitud en el registro del órgano competente para su tramitación.

4. Lo dispuesto en el apartado anterior será también de aplicación para la solicitud de los certificados de residente y de no residente.

regards

Steve

[karunaji]

Hi - sorry I cannot be more specific - but from my experiences in Hungary as a teacher - If you are being legally employed through the department of education and science or its equivalent, then the school or educational institution with whom you have the contract should help you sort this out.

Get on to them and get them to help you. It is not normal that you should have to battle your way through this without any help.

Good luck

saci

[xabiachica]

Originally Posted by karunaji

Hi - sorry I cannot be more specific - but from my experiences in Hungary as a teacher - If you are being legally employed through the department of education and science or its equivalent, then the school or educational institution with whom you have the contract should help you sort this out.

Get on to them and get them to help you. It is not normal that you should have to battle your way through this without any help.

Good luck

saci

is your reply for dijiste??


yes, they might well help - but it's really so simple they don't really need to - and why not get started with the form-filling early - there will plenty more when s/he gets here!!