What's your take on the update to "Residency requirements"

[xabiachica]

Originally Posted by mrypg9

Would anyone be daft enough to come here with family and all their possessions without a fixed contracted job???

If anyone were so silly I'd have little sympathy.

But then, I'm brutal..

you know they would....

[Muddy]

Originally Posted by xabiachica

no it doesn't say that - it does actually say that property deeds will be accepted for proof, but I missed that on my first read

I can't imagine that you'll have a problem tbh - with or without the property - the actual monthly income requirement is scarily low for a single person

Well the deeds accepted is good to know if that wording can be taken on face value!
I guess when I have to show proof of bank balance or assets and a smaller bank balance that will suffice!
I must admit, all this is worry me and does add to the stress levels
But I'm feeling better that I was this morning and the last month or so.

[Pesky Wesky]

Originally Posted by NickZ

What does the average Spanish family live on? I'm guessing far less.

No way!
The average Spanish family.
That would still be with both parents working, one child, maybe an older member of the family... I'd say 2000 - 2500 per month minimum, and that is of course a family that doesn't really exist, 'cos average is only smth that exists in the world of statistics.

[xabiachica]

Originally Posted by Pesky Wesky

No way!
The average Spanish family.
That would still be with both parents working, one child, maybe an older member of the family... I'd say 2000 - 2500 per month minimum, and that is of course a family that doesn't really exist, 'cos average is only smth that exists in the world of statistics.

yes, that's what I was getting at when I said that several generations live toether - I meant more than one generation of working age would be contributing


you just said it more clearly.............

[xabiachica]

Originally Posted by jaws101

I am also confused as to how long-stay holiday/travellers are going to be able to stay for longer than 3 months, i.e. the winter motorhomers/caravanners. They won´t have an address if they are constantly moving on during their stay in Spain but after 3 months they are supposed to register. I would imagine very few (none?) will bother to register. Will they go to the trouble of trying to decipher the regulations for a few months extra in Spain, will they even know they should register?

exactly - they probably won't bother - just as they don't now

[Solwriter]

Originally Posted by jaws101

I am also confused as to how long-stay holiday/travellers are going to be able to stay for longer than 3 months, i.e. the winter motorhomers/caravanners. They won´t have an address if they are constantly moving on during their stay in Spain but after 3 months they are supposed to register. I would imagine very few (none?) will bother to register. Will they go to the trouble of trying to decipher the regulations for a few months extra in Spain, will they even know they should register?

They cant register, as they have no fixed abode in Spain (unless, of course, they spend all their time on the same caravan site).

I would imagine they will go on the way they always have. Spend 6 months traveling around Spain (hopefully with travel insurance) and then go home (and hope that their doctor hasn't struck them off for being out of the UK longer than three months...).

[Pesky Wesky]

Originally Posted by xabiachica

yes, that's what I was getting at when I said that several generations live toether - I meant more than one generation of working age would be contributing


you just said it more clearly.............

I understood you no problem, I was just adding a reply to Nick Z...
I remember a class of 7 people telling me about 3 years ago that their friends and families who lived abroad (Germany, Switzerland, the UK...) thought that the Spanish salaries were a joke. And it's true that Spanish salaries, if you're not director General of a bank, electric company or similar, are very low, but low is 900/ 1000€, and in one family usually there is still more than one person earning. I wouldn't say it was easy for a family to live off 2000€ and 1500 as an average seems way too low to me. Of course there are many families who are much worse off, but I wouldn't say it was the norm still.

[XTreme]

Originally Posted by Muddy

Still is a worry tho, if I turn up, buy the house and then I don't get the rubber stamp treatment! I guess I'm in that type of situation I'm not going to know until I try!

What you have to understand is that the advice you are given on here (unlike other Expat places) though absolutely correct......is the theory or the principle.
However.....the actual reality is usually very different. Because quite simply, (and the Spaniards really laugh at Guiris because of this) the vast majority of Brit incomers are totally obsessed with searching out and complying with every ********e law, byelaw, rule interpetation that turns up.

The Spaniards do the exact oppos¡te.....ignore it. The Franco era mentality has been passed down over the generations and they have a deep mistrust of authority....be it government or Guardia, or Hacienda....and of course banks etc.
They know that whatever piece of crap that's rolled out today is going to be changed tomorrow.....so why waste time with complying with something that's going to be ditched for something else very soon?

I've applied the same thing to my residency....it expired a year ago and I'm not going to renew it till they reinstate the card. Hell....my boy couldn't even get a mobile phone contract with that worthless bit of paper because Vodafone head office would only accept the card. Despite them knowing they'd been withdrawn.
Now how stupid is that.....everybody wails about the crisis, but it's bureaucratic crap of that nature, that has helped to fuel it. Along with not accepting ownership or responsibility for any problem of course.

Once they get their act together.....so will I. But I'm not wasting my time queueing for a bit of paper that carries no more weight than my old NIE from 2005.
So my point is.....don't sweat it. Take a local Spaniard with you along with a pile of Brit papers which relate to anything. He'll take one look.....not understand it, but realise it could mean WORK.....and he'll stamp any damn thing you want just to get rid of you.
And go there 20 minutes before closing time.....also a good time for ITV's by the way.

Now that's the reality of Livin' La Vida Loca!

[Pesky Wesky]

Originally Posted by xabiachica

no it doesn't say that - it does actually say that property deeds will be accepted for proof, but I missed that on my first read

I can't imagine that you'll have a problem tbh - with or without the property - the actual monthly income requirement is scarily low for a single person

I was going to say the same thing. When we first heard of this new requirement it seemed really scary, but inreality it's such a low amount that it really shouldn't be an obstacle for any one who really wants to come here.
That's not to say it won't go up though. This government is making changes faster than you can write a post on this forum!

[Muddy]

Originally Posted by Solwriter

If you have cash in the bank which will cover your monthly outgoings then you would be okay anyway... I think!
So it shouldn't matter in your case whether the ownership of property is taken into account or not.
And in any case, you wouldn't be moving here unless you could rely upon an income of some sort (in your case, monthly cash from savings) would you?

I would be more concerned about sorting out private health insurance, because you will not be able to get state health care as you will not be a worker or pensioner, or applying for an S1 if that will be available to you for a couple of years. Not only as proof for residencia, but also because, well, it's less risky than relying on fate

Yeah I'll have more cash in the bank of course to start with and also for longer if I rent before I buy! But that will of course look much less after a purchase which is what I want sooner than later.
I wont really be relying on income from savings as the interest on savings is so low anyway, but also will be depleted somewhat once house is purchased. My aim is to setup a business in 12 to 18 months and hopefully grow it. That is a big-ish risk I guess but I don't have any dependent's or goldfish!
On the healthcare side, yes I've got that at the top of my expenditure list