News about Spain July 2012

[mrypg9]

Originally Posted by Alcalaina

IVA (VAT) is going up from 18 to 21% next year. The reduced rate (most foodstuffs, public transport etc) is going up from 8 to 10%. The super-reduced rate (basic foods like bread, medicines etc) is held at 4%.

Last week Rajoy denied there would be an increase. No wonder nobody trusts politicians.

Some people trust some politicians...


I'll post details when I've thought of some examples.... It may take a while..


But as a generalisation, if we don't trust politicians, then who would we like to see running the economy? Businessmen and women? The Pope??

The definition of politician is someone who runs the affairs of the polis.
I was a (small-scale) politician and I don't think people mistrusted me. They might have thought I was a twerp but that's a different matter...

[Alcalaina]

I knew you'd jump on that one ....

[baldilocks]

Originally Posted by mrypg9

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Some people trust some politicians...

I don't trust any politicians. 99.99999999% of people who set themselves up for public office do so more for their own benefit than for any altruistic reasions.

The other 0.00000001% comprise Mary and myself.

[Calas felices]

I seem also to remember Rajoy trumpeting that this was a loan to the banks with no strings and no effect on Government. Suddenly there are strings and it appears to be the Government taking the austerity measures. How did that happen???

[Alcalaina]

Originally Posted by Calas felices

I seem also to remember Rajoy trumpeting that this was a loan to the banks with no strings and no effect on Government. Suddenly there are strings and it appears to be the Government taking the austerity measures. How did that happen???

Every time he opens his mouth he lies about something. He has contradicted himself on Bankia, IVA, income tax, spending cuts, aid for small businesses ... That's why we hardly ever see him on TV!

[Pesky Wesky]

Originally Posted by Alcalaina

Every time he opens his mouth he lies about something. He has contradicted himself on Bankia, IVA, income tax, spending cuts, aid for small businesses ... That's why we hardly ever see him on TV!

OH (Spanish) is amazed by how little he appears in public, or on the radio. He is the lowest profile president ever!

[Pesky Wesky]

So, today we got more news about the rise in VAT and Boy, is it it going to effect us!
VAT (IVA) goes up on the 1st of Sept. The general VAT will go from 18% - 21%. The reduced which effects transport, hotel trade, foodstuffs) will go from 8% to 10%. The super reduced stays at 4% and effects basic food products, the press and medicine.
Some products/ services will go from 8% to 21%!! These include flowers, some restaurants (those with a show for example) tickets for the theatre, cinema (another nail in the coffins of the cinema industry!), funerals, hairdressers...
Some services/ products, those that are in the reduced category will rise from 8% to 10%. This area includes water, contact lenses, womens' sanitary products, transport (great for those who have managed to keep hold of their jobs - more to pay on the bus to work!!)

From the first of August antónomos will pay 21% IRPF instead of 15% (are you listening xabiachica??)
Inditex, owned by Galician businessman Amancio Ortega says they will absorb the VAT rise and their shop prices will not increase. This group includes Zara, Pull&Bear, Massimo Dutti, Bershka, Stradivarius, Oysho, Zara Home y Uterqüe. Mango, which is a Catalan company, says the same.

[Pesky Wesky]

An article, in English, giving a few more examples of the changes brought in force by the government
Cabinet approves biggest austerity drive in democratic history | In English | EL PAÍS
Here's an interesting paragraph!!

Starting on September 1, general VAT will increase from 18 percent to 21 percent; even more significantly, several goods and services that are currently taxed at the reduced VAT of eight percent will shoot up to 21 percent, including movie tickets and contact lenses. Otherwise, the reduced rate rises to 10 percent, while the super-reduced rate of four percent for medicines, printed matter and staple foods remains unchanged. The tax breaks for home purchases are also being axed.

More info here in Spanish
http://economia.elpais.com/economia/...21_916502.html

[xabiachica]

Originally Posted by Pesky Wesky

So, today we got more news about the rise in VAT and Boy, is it it going to effect us!
VAT (IVA) goes up on the 1st of Sept. The general VAT will go from 18% - 21%. The reduced which effects transport, hotel trade, foodstuffs) will go from 8% to 10%. The super reduced stays at 4% and effects basic food products, the press and medicine.
Some products/ services will go from 8% to 21%!! These include flowers, some restaurants (those with a show for example) tickets for the theatre, cinema (another nail in the coffins of the cinema industry!), funerals, hairdressers...
Some services/ products, those that are in the reduced category will rise from 8% to 10%. This area includes water, contact lenses, womens' sanitary products, transport (great for those who have managed to keep hold of their jobs - more to pay on the bus to work!!)

From the first of August antónomos will pay 21% IRPF instead of 15% (are you listening xabiachica??)
Inditex, owned by Galician businessman Amancio Ortega says they will absorb the VAT rise and their shop prices will not increase. This group includes Zara, Pull&Bear, Massimo Dutti, Bershka, Stradivarius, Oysho, Zara Home y Uterqüe. Mango, which is a Catalan company, says the same.

yes I'm listening................. & I'm trying work out how to put my rates up again - having not increased them for 2 years I put them up in February

I don't charge IVA of course, on the classes, but I have to pay it on everything from paper & ink for handouts & of course everything not business related

really sad about cinema prices - our local one is struggling & has been for years - they only charge 5€ a ticket so that will be quite an increase to cover the extra IVA


I supppose I sould at least be grateful that dd2 only likes Pull&Bear, Bershka & Stradivarius clothes....

[Alcalaina]

Electricity, gas and telecomms are on the top rate, so they will go up too. These are non-optional purchases, unlike theatre tickets, so this is where the govt is going to make most of the extra revenue from the increase.