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[snikpoh]

Originally Posted by MacRov

So does that mean that someone like myself, who lives in Spain but works in the UK and pays tax etc in the UK and earning under €100K per year would be entitled to health care, would that include my wife & kids ?

confused

This raises an obvious question. If you live in Spain (as you say), work in UK (as you say) then why are you not paying tax in Spain?

I thought the rule was that if you are in Spain for more than 183 days each year, then you are considered tax resident - no choice.


Are there, perhaps, rules which exempt you I (and perhaps others), would be interested to know.

[gus-lopez]

Originally Posted by snikpoh

This raises an obvious question. If you live in Spain (as you say), work in UK (as you say) then why are you not paying tax in Spain?

I thought the rule was that if you are in Spain for more than 183 days each year, then you are considered tax resident - no choice.


Are there, perhaps, rules which exempt you I (and perhaps others), would be interested to know.

He isn't here for 183 days. He , I believe , works 3 weeks offshore in the UK & then is off here for three weeks. Then days travelling don't normally count. In addition if he did just creep in & was required to make a declaration then the uk Tax & ni would be offset under the reciprocal agreement.

[MacRov]

As Gus said, I'm not quite in the country long enough due to my work schedule. Also with only moving to Spain half way through last year I'm sure I've read I wouldn't have to submit a return for 2010-11. I will see how many days I'm in for this next financial year n take it from there.

[Hepa]

Originally Posted by snikpoh

This raises an obvious question. If you live in Spain (as you say), work in UK (as you say) then why are you not paying tax in Spain?

I thought the rule was that if you are in Spain for more than 183 days each year, then you are considered tax resident - no choice.


Are there, perhaps, rules which exempt you I (and perhaps others), would be interested to know.

I have just gone through the Spanish Tax declaration system. Our pensions are taxed at source in the U.K. I had great difficulty explaining to the Boss of the office, why this was so.

In the end she sent us away, and a month later recalled us, signed a form for me to have my O.A.P. transferred here, gave us a Bank refund and told us to return next year for her staff to assist us with the next declaration.

I believe that she must have sought advice from above.

We have no earnings whatsoever in Spain, and this was the first tax return ever completed.

[Solwriter]

Looking further into the new proposals, there is an emphasis on earnings (or lack of earnings), so we are into the realms of fiscal residency, rather than the 'I'm living here' type residency.
For those employed, or unemployed on Paro, or registered but unable to claim Paro, or those who fill in an annual tax return, no problem (as long as they are under the magic 100,000 figure of course).

But what about all those expats who have retired here and do not declare for taxation?

And before anyone says they should be declaring anyway, many pensioners, for example, are under the assumption that they do not need to declare their income if they are on the one state pension and below a certain level.

And then you get the case, already mentioned, of the worker who earns money abroad, but whose wife and children live in Spain and are Spanish residents. That worker has the legal right not to declare as fiscal resident in Spain, but where does that leave his wife and children?

In the pensioner's case, they should be covered by the S1 and the reciprocal agreement, but this new proposal (whether intentionally or not) opens up a can of worms for them regarding taxation (and, as it comes at a time of year where it is almost too late to do anything about it for this year's return, it makes things even worse).

And in the case of the wives and children of non-residents earning abroad, some of whom at the moment have health cards, does this proposal suggest they should be filing a tax declaration? And if so, on what earnings?

[xabiachica]

Originally Posted by Solwriter

Looking further into the new proposals, there is an emphasis on earnings (or lack of earnings), so we are into the realms of fiscal residency, rather than the 'I'm living here' type residency.
For those employed, or unemployed on Paro, or registered but unable to claim Paro, or those who fill in an annual tax return, no problem (as long as they are under the magic 100,000 figure of course).

But what about all those expats who have retired here and do not declare for taxation?

And before anyone says they should be declaring anyway, many pensioners, for example, are under the assumption that they do not need to declare their income if they are on the one state pension and below a certain level.

And then you get the case, already mentioned, of the worker who earns money abroad, but whose wife and children live in Spain and are Spanish residents. That worker has the legal right not to declare as fiscal resident in Spain, but where does that leave his wife and children?

In the pensioner's case, they should be covered by the S1 and the reciprocal agreement, but this new proposal (whether intentionally or not) opens up a can of worms for them regarding taxation (and, as it comes at a time of year where it is almost too late to do anything about it for this year's return, it makes things even worse).

And in the case of the wives and children of non-residents earning abroad, some of whom at the moment have health cards, does this proposal suggest they should be filing a tax declaration? And if so, on what earnings?

if tax & NI are paid in the UK, then the family here can use the S1 - I have no idea about other 'abroad' workers though

we had to have private ins. until I started working - my OH paid tax etc in the US (an accountant there sorted everything out as far as declarations here were concerned - although it seems he wasn't doing a great job......just one more thing for me to sort out ) so we weren't covered here

[Solwriter]

Originally Posted by xabiachica

if tax & NI are paid in the UK, then the family here can use the S1 - I have no idea about other 'abroad' workers though

we had to have private ins. until I started working - my OH paid tax etc in the US (an accountant there sorted everything out as far as declarations here were concerned - although it seems he wasn't doing a great job......just one more thing for me to sort out ) so we weren't covered here

Yes they can use the S1.
But I was thinking more along the lines of these proposals being mainly fiscally based and wondering how that will affect families of those paying tax abroad.
(But I'm trying to work this out at the moment, in terms of how this Government appears to be working (or not working...) so bear with me ).

Yes, I had to go autonomo here before we could get state health care, so we wouldn't have been worried by these proposals as regards health (although we would have been worried as regards proving income left after autonomo fees were paid...).

But I do think that a whole new can of worms is opening here. Whether because this Government is trying to juggle too many issues together (and failing miserably) or whether there really is a concrete plan behind this, I await the outcome (although not with bated breath....).

[enjoylife]

Originally Posted by jojo

My google translated it automatically (nearly!!???) The first bit says this - not fully sure of what it means tho!?????

All who enter less than 100,000 euros a year and is in a legal situation in Spain is entitled to health insurance card. The rotation of the Ministry of Health is radical from the Royal Decree Law of 20 April. Then there were only two options: either have Social Security contributions, or benefit from the provision for the needy. All that has been superseded even before entering into force, as is clear from the draft royal decree prepared by the Ministry of Health has had access to COUNTRY. It states that for legal residents (Spanish or foreign) who have not paid into Social Security, it is sufficient evidence that they have entered less than 100,000 euros a year and have card.

Jo xxx

I have been at the centro de salud this morning for information about the new
law ........they told me, that the article in the media was not correct and still nothing has changed......
now what to believe?

[MacRov]

hahaha Spain eh...

[gus-lopez]

Solwriter , I like this :

" (as long as they are under the magic 100,000 figure of course)."
i was telling my wife on the phone this morning ( unfortunately she's in the Uk at the moment & is not happy ) The only words I could pick out between the *** ****** **** **** appeared to be hand, one, & count.
Possibly Xtreme might be over the limit !

Another problem arises with the tax declaration which are not necessary if you have income below a certain amount, or make zero declarations ( which many offices don't like & won't let you make )