on the news in the UK

[jojo]

BBC News - Euro crisis: UK plans for rise in immigrants The BBC news this morning is full of talk of trying to "discourage" Spanish and Greek job seekers coming to the UK??? Hhhhmmm, not sure what the repercussions would be???

Jo xxx

[xabiachica]

Originally Posted by jojo

BBC News - Euro crisis: UK plans for rise in immigrants The BBC news this morning is full of talk of trying to "discourage" Spanish and Greek job seekers coming to the UK??? Hhhhmmm, not sure what the repercussions would be???

Jo xxx

isn't Spain discouraging jobseekers from EU countries to come here now though, in a way, what with the 'proof of income' requirements?

[jojo]

Originally Posted by xabiachica

isn't Spain discouraging jobseekers from EU countries to come here now though, in a way, what with the 'proof of income' requirements?

It could turn nasty. The Uk people doesnt need an excuse to "pick" on immigrants and retaliation for the way Spain is treating immigrants isnt going to help. I worry about the eurozone and Europe in general!!

Jo xxx

[nigele2]

Originally Posted by jojo

BBC News - Euro crisis: UK plans for rise in immigrants The BBC news this morning is full of talk of trying to "discourage" Spanish and Greek job seekers coming to the UK??? Hhhhmmm, not sure what the repercussions would be???

Jo xxx

Jojo on the greeks or the UK? But now it looks like it is how and when Greece goes (Ms Legarde making her thoughts clear) I hope at least plans can be debated, tested, and put sensibly in place.

What will be interesting is the plan for the Euro. Perhaps dump Spain and Portugal (I feel sorry for the latter but they will surely have to follow Spain?) and then stabilise. Or go with the 16.

I see Ireland from the latest opinion poll look although they will vote 'Yes' on Thursday. And I can't see Italy getting the boot. I mean Germany doesn't want Europe flooded with cheap Ferraris

And despite Bankia the markets seem to have accounted for Spain's demise. God knows were Bankia's 19 billion is coming from

[thrax]

Originally Posted by xabiachica

isn't Spain discouraging jobseekers from EU countries to come here now though, in a way, what with the 'proof of income' requirements?

In what way is the Spanish government achieving this?? That would be against EU Law wouldn't it? and the free movement of EU citizens. I accept it would be a good idea but surely illegal??

[nigele2]

Originally Posted by thrax

In what way is the Spanish government achieving this?? That would be against EU Law wouldn't it? and the free movement of EU citizens. I accept it would be a good idea but surely illegal??

Thrax there is wriggle room:

"BBC political correspondent Robin Brant said the government had some room for manoeuvre because there are rules in place for extreme situations which allow for some temporary restrictions on immigration."

[Pesky Wesky]

Originally Posted by nigele2

Thrax there is wriggle room:

"BBC political correspondent Robin Brant said the government had some room for manoeuvre because there are rules in place for extreme situations which allow for some temporary restrictions on immigration."

So if Robin Brant is correct, there's the loophole. However, even if it was illegal, would it really stop the governments doing what they want? I tend to think it all comes down to an investigation that would happen in a few years time, followed by a fine, that either wouldn't be paid or would be paid in even more years down the line, all of which wouldn't matter at all to the present governments.

[nigele2]

Originally Posted by Pesky Wesky

So if Robin Brant is correct, there's the loophole. However, even if it was illegal, would it really stop the governments doing what they want? I tend to think it all comes down to an investigation that would happen in a few years time, followed by a fine, that either wouldn't be paid or would be paid in even more years down the line, all of which wouldn't matter at all to the present governments.

But legal or otherwise does it not make sense? Do we want people spending their last beans running round Europe thinking the grass is always greener? If a Greek has a job in London then good luck to them but turning up on spec is not going to necessarily turn out well. And I believe Ms May is planning for the latter type of immigrant. Well I hope so

[xabiachica]

Originally Posted by thrax

In what way is the Spanish government achieving this?? That would be against EU Law wouldn't it? and the free movement of EU citizens. I accept it would be a good idea but surely illegal??

no it's not illegal

when us EU citizens used to have to 'apply for a residencia card' the same conditions were in force

then when that chenged to 'register as resident' the requirement was lifted - but the facility for re-instating it was left in place


so all they have done is re-instate it under EU rules

I think France & Italy have the requirement - some EU countries do & always have I believe, anyway

[Pesky Wesky]

Originally Posted by nigele2

But legal or otherwise does it not make sense? Do we want people spending their last beans running round Europe thinking the grass is always greener? If a Greek has a job in London then good luck to them but turning up on spec is not going to necessarily turn out well. And I believe Ms May is planning for the latter type of immigrant. Well I hope so

Ahh, dear Nigel, that is a different matter which I'm not getting into before another cup of tea, taking the dog for a walk and getting dressed - not in that order!!!
Please excuse my ignorance, but who is Ms May?