Dole

[jimenato]

If you are employed and are made redundant in Spain, how much dole (i.e. paid by the government) do you get and for how long?

[baldilocks]

Originally Posted by jimenato

If you are employed and are made redundant in Spain, how much dole (i.e. paid by the government) do you get and for how long?

I think it depends for how long you were employed and how much you paid in, but I'm sure somebody on here has a complete answer

[jimenato]

Originally Posted by baldilocks

I think it depends for how long you were employed and how much you paid in, but I'm sure somebody on here has a complete answer

I guess you're right. Also - what has the company making you redundant have to give you?

[leedsutdgem]

Originally Posted by jimenato

If you are employed and are made redundant in Spain, how much dole (i.e. paid by the government) do you get and for how long?

Its 4 months dole for every year worked up to a maximum of 2 years. You will end up with around 80% of what your nomina was. The company should pay you a redundancy of 20 days per year worked (this is what the new labour reforms were about)

[jimenato]

Originally Posted by leedsutdgem

Its 4 months dole for every year worked up to a maximum of 2 years. You will end up with around 80% of what your nomina was. The company should pay you a redundancy of 20 days per year worked (this is what the new labour reforms were about)

So assuming a salary of 10,000 per year - and you have worked for 2 years or more, would you get paid dole for 8 months and if so at what rate?

What the company has to pay you if you have worked for say 10 years would be 200 days pay which I guess at 10,000 per year would be about 10,000 (ish) (200 (ish) working days per year).

[leedsutdgem]

Originally Posted by jimenato

So assuming a salary of 10,000 per year - and you have worked for 2 years or more, would you get paid dole for 8 months and if so at what rate?

What the company has to pay you if you have worked for say 10 years would be 200 days pay which I guess at 10,000 per year would be about 10,000 (ish) (200 (ish) working days per year).

I would say you will come away with 650-700 euros a month dole. When your dole runs out and if you have any children then you would be entitled to la ayuda familar of 429€ a month for 2 years max. After this you are on your own.

Thats right about redundancy.

[anles]

Originally Posted by jimenato

So assuming a salary of 10,000 per year - and you have worked for 2 years or more, would you get paid dole for 8 months and if so at what rate?

What the company has to pay you if you have worked for say 10 years would be 200 days pay which I guess at 10,000 per year would be about 10,000 (ish) (200 (ish) working days per year).

If a wage is paid monthly, there are 360 working days a year, if a daily rate is paid 365 or 366 this year! Working days by definition include paid holidays, plus your days off and legal permissions such as paternity, hospital appointments, official exams etc.

[mrypg9]

Originally Posted by leedsutdgem

Its 4 months dole for every year worked up to a maximum of 2 years. You will end up with around 80% of what your nomina was. The company should pay you a redundancy of 20 days per year worked (this is what the new labour reforms were about)

On 10 February, the government approved legislation cutting severance pay to a maximum of 33 days' salary for each year worked, compared with the current 45 days.


According to the BBC...

Even 33 days is a massive amount for some PYMES. 45 days was absurd. If a company was experiencing a downturn due to loss of orders brought about by the current economic climate and it needed to lose one worker to save the jobs of ten and keep the company solvent....if that one worker received a salary of 1200 euros a month and had work for the company for say five years, the business would have to find around 8000 euros in redundancy pay.

I think few people who aren't actually involved in running a small/medium-sized company realise how slim profit margins are. 8000 euros is a lot of money for a company employing say five people to pay out.

I've asked on another thread for realistic alternatives to making redundancies but reply there is none. In our own company there was no alternative to redundancy when we lost contracts or there was a decline in activity because of a depressed economy. Easy to say 'find another contract'...of course we did and sometimes we were lucky, in the face of stiff competition.

But there were an awful lot of companies chasing any contracts that happened to be up for grabs...just as there are very many people chasing job vacancies.

Life, to twist a well-known saying, is never plain and rarely simple. Certainly not black and white, workers v bosses. Not in today's economy.

[Alcalaina]

Originally Posted by mrypg9

On 10 February, the government approved legislation cutting severance pay to a maximum of 33 days' salary for each year worked, compared with the current 45 days.

But this is only for profitable companies. If a company can show it has been running at a loss for three consecutive quarters, they will only get 20 days.

If you are in your one-year probationary period on a permanent contract, you can now be dismissed at any time with no reason given and no compensation.

Companies will also be able to reduce pay and change contracted working conditions without having to get government approval.

[jimenato]

The reason I started the thread was that I was discussing this last night and was told that redundancy and so on is far more generous in Spain than the UK and this was one of the reasons the country was going 'down the pan'. Companies in severe difficulties can no longer afford to operate nor can they afford to make staff redundant. A result of this is that staff know they are unlikely to be made redundant which can lead to complacency (functionario syndrome?). Also because terms were so generous that there was little incentive for redundant workers to find a new job for quite some time.

I had been under the impression that there was very little help for unemployed people in Spain and much more in the UK (As you can tell I don't know very much about this subject).

To put it simply would I be right in thinking that redundancy and immediate benefits in Spain are (at least have been up until now) extremely generous - possibly to a fault but that long term assistance which you would get in the UK ("no one is allowed to starve") is practically non-existent in Spain?