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Old 19th February 2012, 08:06 PM
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Have no idea, maybe I will say I am in and out. Right now I have no idea what I will do. But if it's what people say, I will have to pay up for 250 euros per month that I did not pay over the period of 12 months (3000 euros), plus Social Security and all this other stuff. I think I owe thousands and thousands of euros. I need some sort of excuse, and take some responsibility of course, but there is no way I can pay up thousands of euros all at once! I just financially cannot do it.
My advice is, don't lie - you fukced up, and you shouldn't have done. Any way if you atart telling stories they'll probably want some proof that you've been out of the country. Are you willing to falsify that as well? Besides which, they may be slow, but the tax authorities will catch up with you. Friends of mine have been investigated twice in the last 4 years. Luckily, they weren't doing anything illegal.
If you "confess" I believe there are ways of paying it back bit by bit. They will want their money so they give you ways to pay it back.
BTW I teach in Madrid and I pay about 260€ monthly to be autónomo and 15% IRPF. I'd love to do smth else and I speak fluent Spanish, but I haven't come up with what yet

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My advice is, don't lie - you fukced up, and you shouldn't have done. Any way if you atart telling stories they'll probably want some proof that you've been out of the country. Are you willing to falsify that as well? Besides which, they may be slow, but the tax authorities will catch up with you. Friends of mine have been investigated twice in the last 4 years. Luckily, they weren't doing anything illegal.
If you "confess" I believe there are ways of paying it back bit by bit. They will want their money so they give you ways to pay it back.
BTW I teach in Madrid and I pay about 260€ monthly to be autónomo and 15% IRPF. I'd love to do smth else and I speak fluent Spanish, but I haven't come up with what yet
Fair enough, thank you for the advice. I guess I will owe up to an English accountant, and get him/her to aid me through this process. If you say they are flexible with paying things back then I shouldn't freak out, no?

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Fair enough, thank you for the advice. I guess I will owe up to an English accountant, and get him/her to aid me through this process. If you say they are flexible with paying things back then I shouldn't freak out, no?
I'm not sure about that, but someone on here will probably be able to tell you.
I think you'll need an English speaking Spanish accountant rather than an English accountant.
I do wish you luck, but on the other hand that's why you've been earning so much - and I haven't!

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Wow, amazing concrete advice. I am Canadian and I got my Spanish citizenship a year ago *due to a Spanish father. However, for bureaucratic B.S. reasons, *and this is one thing I did sort out, because I still use my Canadian Passport for some things here, I still have to utilize my NIE.
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And yes, the 7% that has been deducted from all my invoices has been for IPRF, and my academy has been taking that off from each paycheque...are they somehow involved now? Now, if I do have to settle up, would i have to pay for all those IPRF deductions in the last 12 months? That would be well over 2000 euros.
You will have your social security (lets say a year) which will be 12 x 250 euros (3000) furthermore you will have IVA (depending on what your services are) which will be 18% of the gross figure of each invoice) PLUS you will have income tax of about 22% of your profit (income minus deductible expenses) but remember that 7% will come off that figure as your clients have paid it on your behalf.

So the amount you pay depends on your takings and your expenses but its gonna be a few thousand me thinks, Sorry!

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So best action- go to a Gestor, play the "long vacation card," don't acknowledge I have worked in the last year, or maybe down-play it and say I have worked for the last few months?
NOOOOOO - don't lie, you will be asked to proove it and frankly wherever you are, you have done invoices so returns have to be done. If you raise Spanish invoices you are tax resident here. I have spent a few months in the UK but still have to file my returns.

Get a SPANISH accountant who speaks english, explain everything and ask their advice. MAYBE they will let you come to an arrangement to pay it BUT don't hide from it, don't lie... it will come to bite you in the behind. The accountant will help you produce full account records and get a real idea of the situation. They will then be able to do the talking to the authorities on your behalf.

You have to deal with this FAST but be completely honest and just HOPE that they come to an agreement with you about paying... If you are going to plead anything don't lie, plead ignorance and just that you put it off and off and time ran away and now you need to sort it!

The 1st question they will ask is "why didn't you do anything?" I mean you said you were confused but why didn't you get professional help before... if you knew how to do an IRPS invoice then who taught you that? Cant you go to them for advice?

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just reading through this, the main thing I see here is you cannot say you have been away because you have been raising invoices....there will be a paper trail so you WILL get caught out.

Is there a reason you have suddenly decided to get this sorted out? Or just conscience

I think your best bet really is to find a good English speaking Gestor and get them to sort it out from start to finsih - you will have to tell them everything and then suck it up. As already mentioned, the money will have to be paid but they are so desperate I am pretty sure there will be ways of paying in some sort of installments

Don't forget you will also have to pay your Gestor a monthly fee too.....
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The 1st question they will ask is "why didn't you do anything?" I mean you said you were confused but why didn't you get professional help before... if you knew how to do an IRPS invoice then who taught you that? Cant you go to them for advice?
I'm not so sure they will ask that (except out of curiosity). They want the money - their job is to get the money. The whys and wherefores are not their business.
BTW teaching is not subject to VAT, at least English teaching isn't, and I pay 15% IRPF and it hasn't changed in light of new legislation

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I'm not so sure they will ask that (except out of curiosity). They want the money - their job is to get the money. The whys and wherefores are not their business.
BTW teaching is not subject to VAT, at least English teaching isn't, and I pay 15% IRPF and it hasn't changed in light of new legislation
I wasn't sure what his line of work was, but yes if teaching then you're right (i need to learn to read more into the OP's comments!).

I think though that when it comes to the accountant or gestor arguing the case for a payment plan or some kind of agreement its always nice to have a reason why the problems... "i thought i could avoid paying tax" won't get much sympathy but "foreign and confused and thought it was something i had to do every year... sorry" might at least get the sympathy vote and help the OP to get a favourable agreement and maybe any penalties kept to a minimum!

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You will have your social security (lets say a year) which will be 12 x 250 euros (3000) furthermore you will have IVA (depending on what your services are) which will be 18% of the gross figure of each invoice) PLUS you will have income tax of about 22% of your profit (income minus deductible expenses) but remember that 7% will come off that figure as your clients have paid it on your behalf.

So the amount you pay depends on your takings and your expenses but its gonna be a few thousand me thinks, Sorry!



NOOOOOO - don't lie, you will be asked to proove it and frankly wherever you are, you have done invoices so returns have to be done. If you raise Spanish invoices you are tax resident here. I have spent a few months in the UK but still have to file my returns.

Get a SPANISH accountant who speaks english, explain everything and ask their advice. MAYBE they will let you come to an arrangement to pay it BUT don't hide from it, don't lie... it will come to bite you in the behind. The accountant will help you produce full account records and get a real idea of the situation. They will then be able to do the talking to the authorities on your behalf.

You have to deal with this FAST but be completely honest and just HOPE that they come to an agreement with you about paying... If you are going to plead anything don't lie, plead ignorance and just that you put it off and off and time ran away and now you need to sort it!

The 1st question they will ask is "why didn't you do anything?" I mean you said you were confused but why didn't you get professional help before... if you knew how to do an IRPS invoice then who taught you that? Cant you go to them for advice?
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I didn't do anything before because it was pure procrastination. I kept on thinking "two more months and then go to the office and clear things up....In 2 weeks when you have time go talk to someone who knows something about being an autonomo," it was a lot of "should have's" but I did nothing about it.

I was given the IRPS invoice template by an employer. He/She explained nothing to me but I figured out how to do it.

But you are right, pure ignorance is the only sympathy card I can play right now.

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