Moving to durban sa

[MichelleAlison]

Originally Posted by Stravinsky

You're saying you live in Durban?

He says he lives in P.E. which I assume is Port Elizabeth.

I was looking at the crime figures yesterday for SA and according to last years figures, there were 100 murders and 50 rapes every single day, and these were the ones that were reported. Does it matter where the crime takes place, the fact is that it does and it would certainly worry me.

Michelle

[Daxk]

Michelle, statistically, you can prove anything.
19,000 murders a year as a percentage of the total population is minuscule, its .04%o the population get murdered every year.

in real terms, 99.96% of the population dont get murdered every year.

and yes,,most of those murders happen on a weekend between drunken people who live in abject misery and squalor.
No Arguement.

and most of those murders do not get solved, investigated, or taken any further.
even when the perpetrator is known to the victim.

and a very small percentage of that crime happens to white people, as most whites(and the new Black class) have things that are worth stealing.
but statistics dont matter when you are the statistic, at that moment.

And that is where I disagree with this poster.
The population of SA is 48 milion, 18,000 odd is a small statistic.

the people who are asking questions on here are going to be living in areas of high interest to gangs, they are going to be buying new TV's,New cars,, conspicuous consumption.

I dont care wether they move to SA or not, iro my investments I hope they do, I hope they sort SA out, because the flippant," yes there are problems "nowhere near covers it.

My conscience asks , that they make a rational informed decision.

I'm a 57 year old succesful businessman as well as a succesful human being.
I have a 9 year old daughter.
You can spend 54 years in SA without a problem, but if a problem finds you, its usually a biggie.

Here is this poster, says he is 31, talks about SA while he lives in Korea,

says the exact opposite of every media available to the internet in and out of SA.

And then tries to attract people to his blog site(link removed by moderator) which shows murdered black people??

Yes, I am harsh about SA, google my name and you will find the same consistent statements.
I love the Country, I love the people, it is heart achingly beautiful.
I hate the waste occassioned by the Multi cultural Political party called the ANC for whom I voted.

I pray that it succeeds..

but I hate Zealots, wether they be right wing or this kid.
especially when they lie.

[bovinerebel]

Originally Posted by MichelleAlison

He says he lives in P.E. which I assume is Port Elizabeth.

I was looking at the crime figures yesterday for SA and according to last years figures, there were 100 murders and 50 rapes every single day, and these were the ones that were reported. Does it matter where the crime takes place, the fact is that it does and it would certainly worry me.

Michelle

Michelle you're crap at maths. There were 50 murders and 25 rapes everyday. You don't just double it to make yourself feel better.

It certainly does matter where it takes place. You can easily avoid it by not hanging out in certain areas and certain times of the day. Easy. Anyway don't bother then. South Africa is fine with or without you.

One question....would you ever holiday in Jamaica ?

Because the crime rate is 15% higher there.

[bovinerebel]

Originally Posted by Daxk

Michelle, statistically, you can prove anything.
19,000 murders a year as a percentage of the total population is minuscule, its .04%o the population get murdered every year.

in real terms, 99.96% of the population dont get murdered every year.

and yes,,most of those murders happen on a weekend between drunken people who live in abject misery and squalor.
No Arguement.

and most of those murders do not get solved, investigated, or taken any further.
even when the perpetrator is known to the victim.

and a very small percentage of that crime happens to white people, as most whites(and the new Black class) have things that are worth stealing.
but statistics dont matter when you are the statistic, at that moment.

And that is where I disagree with this poster.
The population of SA is 48 milion, 18,000 odd is a small statistic.

the people who are asking questions on here are going to be living in areas of high interest to gangs, they are going to be buying new TV's,New cars,, conspicuous consumption.

I dont care wether they move to SA or not, iro my investments I hope they do, I hope they sort SA out, because the flippant," yes there are problems "nowhere near covers it.

My conscience asks , that they make a rational informed decision.

I'm a 57 year old succesful businessman as well as a succesful human being.
I have a 9 year old daughter.
You can spend 54 years in SA without a problem, but if a problem finds you, its usually a biggie.

Here is this poster, says he is 31, talks about SA while he lives in Korea,

says the exact opposite of every media available to the internet in and out of SA.

And then tries to attract people to his blog site(link removed by moderator) which shows murdered black people??

Yes, I am harsh about SA, google my name and you will find the same consistent statements.
I love the Country, I love the people, it is heart achingly beautiful.
I hate the waste occassioned by the Multi cultural Political party called the ANC for whom I voted.

I pray that it succeeds..

but I hate Zealots, wether they be right wing or this kid.
especially when they lie.

1)Just a few points. I don't live in Korea. I live 80% of my life in Port Elizabeth South Africa and 20% of it here so my gf can see her family. I don't like to drag my personal life on the internet so respect my boundaries please.

2) My blog has pictures of dead iraqi's (i'm anti the iraqi war).

3) I have no made on single lie. If you claim I have then please demonstrate.

4) Of course I'm saying the opposite of the media. The media is full of neurotic sensationalism and hyperbole. That's the freaking point.

You talk about making a rational decision. That's exactly what I want people to make. Again I ask ...would you put the same effort into stopping people going to holiday in Jamaica ? It's got a higher crime rate than South Africa. How in any way can you justidy the incredibly fearmongering being passed around here as rational ?

and yes 0.040 % is the murder rate (but far less if you're in the middle classes). Washington DC ? 0.036 . I guarantee you can go on a forum regarding washington dc and not see a bunch of people talking about "genocide" ...it's unique to us and were shooting ourselves in the foot by not stopping to see things rationallt......please admit that far too many south africans really do overstate the issue a million times over.

All this tlak about hijackings and break in murders and the like...of those 18 000 murders only 500 were from this form of crime. The gross majority of murders is black on black drunken knife fighting and the likes. Nothing white or middle classed people will ever encounter.

I say it again in the strongest possible form ..if you are in the middle classes then South Africa is as safe as anywhere else.

[Daxk]

"Again I ask ...would you put the same effort into stopping people going to holiday in Jamaica ? It's got a higher crime rate than South Africa. How in any way can you justidy the incredibly fearmongering being passed around here as rational ?"

If I was Jamaican and they wished to move to Jamaica, yes.
I'm South African and they are asking about SA.

[MichelleAlison]

Originally Posted by bovinerebel

Michelle you're crap at maths. There were 50 murders and 25 rapes everyday. You don't just double it to make yourself feel better.

It certainly does matter where it takes place. You can easily avoid it by not hanging out in certain areas and certain times of the day. Easy. Anyway don't bother then. South Africa is fine with or without you.

One question....would you ever holiday in Jamaica ?

Because the crime rate is 15% higher there.

I should have used a calculator yesterday as you are right, my maths is terrible. Anyway, here is the link I found regarding last year's crime stats.

:. Institute for Security Studies - Institut d'Études de Sécurité .:

Michelle

[clarewood931]

Originally Posted by Daxk

"Again I ask ...would you put the same effort into stopping people going to holiday in Jamaica ? It's got a higher crime rate than South Africa. How in any way can you justidy the incredibly fearmongering being passed around here as rational ?"

If I was Jamaican and they wished to move to Jamaica, yes.
I'm South African and they are asking about SA.

Thanks for all the comments made about SA and i felt there was good and bad and a lot of people putting the place down.

My husband flew out yesterday and has arrived this morning in johannasburg his head office is in woodmead and they have put him up in a hotel in sandton temp untill they can show him some accomadation.

Please could you tell me what these areas are like as my husband feels a little unsure as its all new to him.

All he can say at the moment is that what bits he has seen did not look bad and the hype that is said about the airport did not seem to be the case.

Many Thanks

Clare

[Daxk]

Woodmead,Rivonia, Sandton.Paulshof and Fourways go through Stages,
Avoid Bucleuch,Midrand ,Kyalami, the traffic over the Jukskei is enough to kill you
major safety check is how many exits and entrances a Suburb has,how close it is to an escape route such as a Highway.
tell your husband to sign up to EBlockwatch, its a good idea and very cheap,that has a searchable incident map that is far more accurate than anything any of us could ever tell you about an area.
In addittion, your Husbands company should have a risk assesment specialist anyway to advise him and you as well as brief you.

[clarewood931]

daxk

Could you tell me how much tax you have to pay on wages in south africa

if poss

[Daxk]

www.sars.gov.za