Moving to durban sa

[bovinerebel]

Originally Posted by Stravinsky

You're saying you live in Durban?

look again.

[Stravinsky]

Originally Posted by bovinerebel

look again.

I'm not South African, I dont know what PE is, but I can check your IP addy to see where you are I guess

[bovinerebel]

Originally Posted by Stravinsky

I'm not South African, I dont know what PE is, but I can check your IP addy to see where you are I guess

Port Elizabeth.

So what's your interest in South Africa then ?

[Stravinsky]

Originally Posted by bovinerebel

Port Elizabeth.

So what's your interest in South Africa then ?

I'm interested because
(a) I'm a mod on here and I try to understand what I moderate and
(b) There are always such a huge gulf between what people say about SA that I'd live to discover the truth.

I have peoples own accounts of living there, loving the country, but fleeing for their life
I see regular news reports posted about rapes & murders

Then I hear completely the opposite, and I am confused.

[Daxk]

He lives in Port Elizabeth, Stravinsky, a small little backwater town that survives bcause the motor industry established their factories there as they have a small port that makes shipping easier.
You will see that I suggested to Clare that PE is better than Durban and a whole lot better than the rest of SA, for some strange reason.
They actually dont have the same levels of crime as gauteng and the majority of their crime is actually drink and poverty fueled.

However,where Bovine rebel falls down is when he tries to compare PE to Johannesburg/Pretoria/Gauteng.
But I do understand its frustration,

[bovinerebel]

Originally Posted by Stravinsky

I'm interested because
(a) I'm a mod on here and I try to understand what I moderate and
(b) There are always such a huge gulf between what people say about SA that I'd live to discover the truth.

I have peoples own accounts of living there, loving the country, but fleeing for their life
I see regular news reports posted about rapes & murders

Then I hear completely the opposite, and I am confused.

I've tried to explain. Once more :

There are south africans who have an agenda to discredit the country. They have motives , some are victims of crime , some are afrikaaners who feel their rights have been taken away , some fought in the army and feel now that their sacrifice is being discredited , some lost jobs because of affirmitive action...etc etc...

Whatever their motive is they actively misrepresent the reality of South Africa. They also read these crime statistics in the newspaper and it affirmates their bitter and negative views. But when you look critically at these statistics it's plain to see that crime simply does not affect their demographic. Whether they know it or not , they over generalise and distort the reality of what South Africa is into something awful. They make the place sound like a hell hole which is simply isn't . I will repeat my anology of using data gathered in detroit to describe san fransisco.

I live in south Africa and when i read oms eof the comments these people write it makes me wonder if we even live in the same country myself. "What ? We have to worry about being murdered ? When did this happen ? " their description simply does not correlate with my reality. Maybe they live in some cheap joburg suburb or something...who knows....whatever the case the south africa tey describe is not the one i've experience for my whole life.

The only way for you to decide is to see for yourself. In my personal experience , there's a 100% record for people leaving South Africa with a MUCH more positive view than they came. Most came expecting a war zone and found it a very peaceful , quiet , safe place. The longer they spend here the more likely they are to see it this way , not less.

[bovinerebel]

Originally Posted by Daxk

He lives in Port Elizabeth, Stravinsky, a small little backwater town that survives bcause the motor industry established their factories there as they have a small port that makes shipping easier.
You will see that I suggested to Clare that PE is better than Durban and a whole lot better than the rest of SA, for some strange reason.
They actually dont have the same levels of crime as gauteng and the majority of their crime is actually drink and poverty fueled.

However,where Bovine rebel falls down is when he tries to compare PE to Johannesburg/Pretoria/Gauteng.
But I do understand its frustration,

1.8 million people in P.E. We have a very huge port currently being built and many other billions of rands worth of new investments being planned.

I would never compare P.E to joburg...I would not compare any part of the rest of south africa to joburg. Joburg is the detroit of South Africa (except joburg is much richer and more beautful than detroit in fairness ...but compared to the rest of S.a it's a dump with high crime). I would say durban is better than P.E by miles by the way and so is capetown and almost anywhere else. P.e is in the eastern cape which is the poorest province. So it's no good pretending it's an exception to the rule. Crime is P.E is low and nothing we worry about beyond the odd car radio stolen. Same for the rest of south africa beyind joburg really.

[Daxk]

I was referring to its mindset as being small,it was the most provincial litle place I have ever lived in.

[bovinerebel]

Originally Posted by Daxk

I was referring to its mindset as being small,it was the most provincial litle place I have ever lived in.

Yes. Very conservative.

[Daxk]

So if someone was relocating to Johannesburg/Pretoria?PWV area, would there be any chance of home invasions or Hi-jackings if they lived in better than cheap suburbs?