Cons of moving to or living in South Africa

[Johanna]

Originally Posted by vegasboy

SABC News 10 September 2010: SA is now in the top ten in the world with road deaths. Three out of ten on SA roads do not have a valid drivers licence.

vegasboy, in one of my postings I mentioned the total disregard for the law and the example I mentioned was road accidents, having driven in the UK for so many years on congested roads where you cannot speed, it is quite frightening here.As you mentioned, many drivers do not have a valid driver's licence and the cars ( especially taxis ) are not roadworthy ..... I see many positives, but the behaviour of many drivers in this country is really something that upsets me a lot.

[Jason1]

Originally Posted by Therooster

I know this is the place for cons, but those nation master stats are from 8 years ago. The murder rate for example is HALF what's stated on that nation master page. Don't misrepresent things with false stats please.

South Africa is no longer in the top 10 for murders out of countries that release accurate stats. And if Africa and the rest of the third world could report stats or accurate stats I bet we would not be in the top 100.

Furthermore very little of that crime affects people above the poverty line. If you're not young, poor and black you're probably 1% of those murders.

What a load of rubbish the rich people are often targets of crime (I know many wealthy people who were targets of hi-jackings and house robberies while at home with guns in Johannesburg). I worked for a small company of about 30 people and 90%(Including me who had an Ak47 pointed at me and my pregnant wife for our wallets & phones in an upmarket shopping mall) of us were affected by crime which involved the use of guns and some of their family members were killed and some were crippled for life. The poor people are affected by a larger proportion of the crime but the crime is everywhere in Johannesburg. I know of more people that have been affected by violent crime than I know who have died of aids.

[vegasboy]

Originally Posted by Jason1

What a load of rubbish the rich people are often targets of crime (I know many wealthy people who were targets of hi-jackings and house robberies while at home with guns in Johannesburg). I worked for a small company of about 30 people and 90%(Including me who had an Ak47 pointed at me and my pregnant wife for our wallets & phones in an upmarket shopping mall) of us were affected by crime which involved the use of guns and some of their family members were killed and some were crippled for life. The poor people are affected by a larger proportion of the crime but the crime is everywhere in Johannesburg. I know of more people that have been affected by violent crime than I know who have died of aids.

Jason, thank you for setting the record straight. While driving in my car two days ago my friend sitting next to me got a call from a lady friend whose life partner of 19 years was just hijacked and killed in Johannesburg.

In the last three weeks alone two of my properties in different areas of Cape Town were vandalised at night, two unrelated incidents. At the one all the copper plumbing pipes were stolen (for the third time), at the other, an office block, all the stainless steel staircase rails were stolen, and the cctv shows that the latter was done by white people.

Rooster is a trouble-maker and a total and utter unreliable source on this forum. Do yourself a favour and search some of his previous posts here on other threads. People have the right to differ as much as they wish, but we have to bear in mind that others visiting this forum use it to make life changing decisions. He disappeared for a month or so and has now surfaced again. I read a few of his very latest posts and thought he got himself together a bit, but alas!

[Halo]

Sounds like a she to me !

[Therooster]

Originally Posted by Jason1

What a load of rubbish the rich people are often targets of crime (I know many wealthy people who were targets of hi-jackings and house robberies while at home with guns in Johannesburg). I worked for a small company of about 30 people and 90%(Including me who had an Ak47 pointed at me and my pregnant wife for our wallets & phones in an upmarket shopping mall) of us were affected by crime which involved the use of guns and some of their family members were killed and some were crippled for life. The poor people are affected by a larger proportion of the crime but the crime is everywhere in Johannesburg. I know of more people that have been affected by violent crime than I know who have died of aids.

Rubbish ! Bullsheet and total carp ! 90% of a group of 30 people had AK's pointed at them and other such experiences ? I know 100's of people who live in JHB and I don't know a single one who has had this experience or can even tell me about someone they know who has ! How can our situation be so different ? You're talking such a load of total tosh ! I am not saying nobody in JHB experiences crime. But the way you present is is off the wall !

It may have happened to you...well something clear did to make you this neurotic....but don't project your experience and then feed of the alarmist media and pretend that's everyone reality.

Again please ask expats who have moved to South Africa for their opinions. That's all I am saying. Be very wary of these people who have an extremely large bias against South Africa, based probably in no small part in their "old South Africa" military brainwashing.

[Halo]

Rooster = Anecdotal nonsense.

Many of us never went to the Army sister. Now put your tin-foil hat back on...

I meet Saffars weekly who have immigrated due to crime - Most did not want to leave but had to for fear of the future. We have kids for fooks sake, why the hell would anyone in there right mind chose SA over OZ/USA/Canada/Europe....?

[Therooster]

Originally Posted by Halo

Rooster = Anecdotal nonsense.

Many of us never went to the Army sister. Now put your tin-foil hat back on...

I meet Saffars weekly who have immigrated due to crime - Most did not want to leave but had to for fear of the future. We have kids for fooks sake, why the hell would anyone in there right mind chose SA over OZ/USA/Canada/Europe....?

You hit the nail on the head. FEAR.

Irrational fear in my opinion. Created in no small part by people like you lot.

And by the way the South African white population grew by 100 000 people last year. There are loads more returning than leaving. And 20 000 brits emmigrate here every year not to mention trucks loads of other Europeans and Americans. Not everyone sees what you're hyper active and neurotic imagination sees.

[dizzyizzy]

Please read my post on the healthcare thread and chill, unless you want these threads to get closed down.

[Therooster]

Originally Posted by dizzyizzy

Please read my post on the healthcare thread and chill, unless you want these threads to get closed down.

You're right to moderate this. You can't let these guys run riot with their counter productive agenda. People wanting information about South Africa deserve to hear a fair and balanced perspective. Not have one dreary alarmist version shouted at them.

[Halo]

BBC - Andrew Harding on Africa: Crime statistics - less swagger please