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Old 13th January 2010, 11:09 PM
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For personal reasons, my daughter (23) and I want to return to Jo'berg possibly in a year.

So I know all the crime stuff, I don't need any advice about that.

What I do want to know realistically is how much an older reliable runner (car but most likely a van of some sort) would be to start us off.

How much is a rental of safe accommodation, we hail from the Randburg area and would go back there. I have looked on the internet at rentals and I know in The Star its got to be more reasonable.

I know that my daughter would probably get a job from here with her contacts, or at least the promise of one, but, I because am white, old and considered apartheid would most definitely luck out.

What I do for a living is Project Manage, I specialize in London in going into offices and sorting out all their systems, or I assist on larger projects. I contract and get good money.

So I would most likely start a little catering business So what is the gen on that, It would probably be me and someone to help me clean up, that was not a director! I will also finish my training as a chocolatier before I get back. Am I going to have to register and have a director?? I heard things had improved for mushroom business'?

No, there will not be enough money to rent a commercial property and open a business, unless the rates are very reasonable. Money would have to go on equipment and to run it from home.

Realistically with the rent, what is the least we could manage on to live per month, until we got up and running?

What is the situation with the electricity? I know you are still getting outtages, but has the situation improved since 2007/2008?

I need to talk to someone about how things are on the ground these days. When I left 8 years ago the economic situation was drastic and the crime had gone on so long I was a nervous wreck? The crime I could stand, if we catch a bullet, well we catch a bullet, but we can't eat grass!

No, unfortunately we do not have any friends or family we can rely on when we get there, but we don't have any here. We are two very self reliant South African women.

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10-15 year old SUV (landy, Kia sportage, Early Nissan Xtrail, Bakkie, etc) = R40-70 000
2/3 bedroom SECURE cluster, townhouse in decent area (east/west rand and northern suburbs) = R6-7 000 /month plus about R1000-R1500 lights and water.
Electricity supply okay for now but winter is coming. Secondly the supply:demand ratio is finely balanced at the moment, and major loss of supply (power station repairs, maintenance, breakdown) will lead to blackouts. Lastly, there is a very real problem with supply of coal to the power stations at present so this also may lead to outages.

I would say that realistically you and your daughter would need about R20-25 000/ month depending on your level of "survival", travel needs and expenses, medical aid, food, etc, etc... maybe less??

Approx MINIMUMS:
Rent R6000
Utilities R1000
Phones/internet/cell R1000
Petrol (unleaded) R7.86 litre
Groceries R2500
Medical aid R2500 EACH!
Car insurance: R500
Mnet: R500

Plus the rest!

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The above link is either misinformed or outdated.

e.g. utilities... R400........
Mnet alone costs that.
I do not know anyone who pays less than R1000 for water & lights.

The rental prices are not for the areas you want to reside in (Randburg etc)

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I know that my daughter would probably get a job from here with her contacts, or at least the promise of one, but, I because am white, old and considered apartheid would most definitely luck out.
Hello

Before writing yourself off due to age etc. Have you considered working as a Project Lead Consultant. I'm sure that in Joburg there are contracts for people with your skill set. You might want to try contacting some of the recruiting agencies in Joburg and see what they say.

There is supposedly a "shortage" of skilled people in S.A. Especially at your level of expertise. I would check that out and keep an open mind about it, Something could show up in that line of work.

The R12000.00 per month mentioned by the other bloggers is quite a shock. That's a lot of money to pay per month. How do the less educated folks (of all colors) get by with expenses like that. It sounds kinda steep.

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Dannyboy, they dont, thats the point.
rentals in the subeconomuc areas are very low, theunemployed live in squatter camps where they dont pay rent and electricity is stolen from the street lights
SA has a very high waste factor, so the scrap business provides some income, but in all my years there I never saw anyone starve to death in SA.

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Dannyboy, they dont, thats the point.
rentals in the subeconomuc areas are very low, theunemployed live in squatter camps where they dont pay rent and electricity is stolen from the street lights
SA has a very high waste factor, so the scrap business provides some income, but in all my years there I never saw anyone starve to death in SA.
Do the churches feed them? How do they survive?

Here is an interesting article from the WashingtonPost regarding Unemployment (of the masses) in South Africa. Check it out if you have the time.
Recession Worsens South Africa's Chronic Unemployment - washingtonpost.com

This is scary stuff. S.Africa is attracting the rest of Africa like a magnet as they think there are Jobs For ALL in S.A.
How long can the country keep allowing in uneducated illegals who won't find work when even the local citizens can't find work. Surely it'll reach a point where the masses go wild in Kayelitsha and Soweto and the other mushrooming townships and then ravage and burn the middle class and upper class areas to the ground.
How long can the middle class (black or white) continue to pay for the Massive and growing "developing world's biggest welfare program".

I'd also like to return to S.A more than anything else, especially to be with my family in Cape Town, but it seems really dicey.
To make matters worse in the I.T (Computer Industry) they are starting to outsource a lot of the work to India (as they have done in the U.S) which means LESS jobs for S.Africans and LESS tax going into the ANC coffers to supposedly support their Welfare Program and buying binges of Mercedes, Private jets and wotnot.
It's a mess.

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Do the churches feed them? How do they survive?

Here is an interesting article from the WashingtonPost regarding Unemployment (of the masses) in South Africa. Check it out if you have the time.
Recession Worsens South Africa's Chronic Unemployment - washingtonpost.com

This is scary stuff. S.Africa is attracting the rest of Africa like a magnet as they think there are Jobs For ALL in S.A.
How long can the country keep allowing in uneducated illegals who won't find work when even the local citizens can't find work. Surely it'll reach a point where the masses go wild in Kayelitsha and Soweto and the other mushrooming townships and then ravage and burn the middle class and upper class areas to the ground.
How long can the middle class (black or white) continue to pay for the Massive and growing "developing world's biggest welfare program".

I'd also like to return to S.A more than anything else, especially to be with my family in Cape Town, but it seems really dicey.
To make matters worse in the I.T (Computer Industry) they are starting to outsource a lot of the work to India (as they have done in the U.S) which means LESS jobs for S.Africans and LESS tax going into the ANC coffers to supposedly support their Welfare Program and buying binges of Mercedes, Private jets and wotnot.
It's a mess.
Would also love to go 'home'!!!! If I thought there was a remote chance of SA having a future, I would have been there yesterday.

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The recession has hit every country badly, I do not think one should just look at SA at having a bad time...in the EU the UK has been faring worst.


Ecotango, we are also moving back to SA, not that the government is making us feel very welcome for coming back, but nevermind.


Do you need to buy the type of car quoted?



I wish you all of the best, we have to pay to bring back a car that we took away from SA....


Hope all goes very well for you

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10-15 year old SUV (landy, Kia sportage, Early Nissan Xtrail, Bakkie, etc) = R40-70 000
2/3 bedroom SECURE cluster, townhouse in decent area (east/west rand and northern suburbs) = R6-7 000 /month plus about R1000-R1500 lights and water.
Electricity supply okay for now but winter is coming. Secondly the supply:demand ratio is finely balanced at the moment, and major loss of supply (power station repairs, maintenance, breakdown) will lead to blackouts. Lastly, there is a very real problem with supply of coal to the power stations at present so this also may lead to outages.

I would say that realistically you and your daughter would need about R20-25 000/ month depending on your level of "survival", travel needs and expenses, medical aid, food, etc, etc... maybe less??

Approx MINIMUMS:
Rent R6000
Utilities R1000
Phones/internet/cell R1000
Petrol (unleaded) R7.86 litre
Groceries R2500
Medical aid R2500 EACH!
Car insurance: R500
Mnet: R500

Plus the rest!
Hi can you tell me how R20-25,000 equates in sterling, thank you?

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