info on a marriage in france

[adoptive cath]

hello, my fiancee ,who is british but living permantly in brittany france, and I,a white south african citizen, living and working in south africa are planning on getting married in july or august 2010. he went to the mairie ,who has given him a booklet stating what is needed

one of the things required is that i must get a certificat of attestation, what is this. something to do with entittlement to marry
i have also been reading up that i have to get permission from the french embassy to get married, is this so

what is a Certificate de Coutume" or a "Certificate of No Impediment" or a "Certificate of Nulla Osta" or simply a "Certificate of Freedom to Marry law - where do i get it from

does a south african have to fill in a certifcate of custom/law marriage

this is all so confusing.. thats why i need advise please

thanks :

[Bevdeforges]

In order to marry in France, you need to apply for a long-stay visa while you are still in South Africa.

When you get to France, you can start assembling some of the more obscure documents required to actually marry. The Certificat de coutume is something you may be able to get from your consulate in France (i.e. the South African consulate in France). If the consulate or embassy can't provide the document they can tell you how to get one.

Basically the certificat de coutume is a document prepared by an attorney or an official from your country that declares that you are eligible to marry both in France and in your country of origin. The document is prepared based on a review of your other paperwork - birth certificate, any previous marriage or divorce paperwork, etc.

You should plan on arriving in France about a month before the wedding in order to give yourself enough time to get all the paperwork together without making yourself too crazy. But basically, anything they are asking for that you don't immediately recognize, check with your embassy or consulate in France.
Cheers,
Bev

[adoptive cath]

Originally Posted by Bevdeforges

In order to marry in France, you need to apply for a long-stay visa while you are still in South Africa.

When you get to France, you can start assembling some of the more obscure documents required to actually marry. The Certificat de coutume is something you may be able to get from your consulate in France (i.e. the South African consulate in France). If the consulate or embassy can't provide the document they can tell you how to get one.

Basically the certificat de coutume is a document prepared by an attorney or an official from your country that declares that you are eligible to marry both in France and in your country of origin. The document is prepared based on a review of your other paperwork - birth certificate, any previous marriage or divorce paperwork, etc.

You should plan on arriving in France about a month before the wedding in order to give yourself enough time to get all the paperwork together without making yourself too crazy. But basically, anything they are asking for that you don't immediately recognize, check with your embassy or consulate in France.
Cheers,
Bev

hi bev,
thanks for responding, so i can apply for a long stay visa before getting married, i didnt know that
thanks ,
do you know if south africa recognizes a married performed in france.

the other question i need to know is, the mairie knows about our forecoming marriage, but do i have to inform the french embassy in south africa.

thanks again for your response
cathy

[Bevdeforges]

It depends a bit on what your plans are. If you're just going to get married in France and then settle elsewhere, you don't need the long stay visa.

As far as I know, South Africa should recognize a marriage performed in France - but in part, that's what the certificat de coutume is all about. It basically certifies that you meet all the requirements in both South Africa and in France for getting married - the main thing is that you aren't already married outside of France.

Once you're married, the mairie in France will contact the South African embassy or consulate to notify them that you are now married. Applying for a long stay visa, giving your marriage to a French person as the "reason" you are looking to stay in France should be notice enough to the French embassy in SA.
Cheers,
Bev

[adoptive cath]

Originally Posted by Bevdeforges

It depends a bit on what your plans are. If you're just going to get married in France and then settle elsewhere, you don't need the long stay visa.

As far as I know, South Africa should recognize a marriage performed in France - but in part, that's what the certificat de coutume is all about. It basically certifies that you meet all the requirements in both South Africa and in France for getting married - the main thing is that you aren't already married outside of France.

Once you're married, the mairie in France will contact the South African embassy or consulate to notify them that you are now married. Applying for a long stay visa, giving your marriage to a French person as the "reason" you are looking to stay in France should be notice enough to the French embassy in SA.
Cheers,
Bev

Thanks again for replying, we will be settling in france, as my fiancee owns a house.

i have been searching for months and have not come up with any answers until i stumbled across this site yesterday, you have been such a great help

THANKS AGAIN
cathy

[lerant]

Originally Posted by adoptive cath

hello, my fiancee ,who is british but living permantly in brittany france, and I,a white south african citizen, living and working in south africa are planning on getting married in july or august 2010. he went to the mairie ,who has given him a booklet stating what is needed

one of the things required is that i must get a certificat of attestation, what is this. something to do with entittlement to marry
i have also been reading up that i have to get permission from the french embassy to get married, is this so

what is a Certificate de Coutume" or a "Certificate of No Impediment" or a "Certificate of Nulla Osta" or simply a "Certificate of Freedom to Marry law - where do i get it from

does a south african have to fill in a certifcate of custom/law marriage

this is all so confusing.. thats why i need advise please

thanks :

Hi busy doing exactly that. To get the long term visa you will need to sort all the paperwork out at home first. Your boyfriend will need to book the wedding date with the mayors office but you will need to first send him the required paperwork.
He can start first by sending you the form in the booklet he recieved from the mayors office. You will need an "unabridged birth certificate" and "letter of impediment"(letter stating there is no record of you being married) from the Department of Home Affairs. In addition to this you will require a letter from a registered notary stating that you are free to marry,marriages performed in France are recognised in South Africa and also that publication of marriage bans are not a requirement in South Africa(you will need the letter of impediment before to get this document).Once you have all three documents you will need to have them translated by a certified official translator who is recognised by the French consulate (alliance francais does it in Cape Town). All three documents plus translations and a normal copy of your passport , plus the paper you need to sign from the marriage booklet from the mayors office will need to be posted to your boyfriend(I used DHL). Your boyfriend will use these documents to register the wedding at the mayors office. Your boyfriend will then need to send you the certificate of publication of marriage bans (no opposition to the marriage) and whatever else they give him, His proof of French nationality, he will also need to get a "attestation d'accueil" (a form stating you will be accomodated by him). You will need to provide proof of funds for three months(30 euros per day if you stay with him) as well as insurance cover for the 3 months and of course flight tickets. You will need to co-ordinate all this very well because the french dont like certificates older than 3 months and the Department of Home Affairs can take 6 weeks to 3 months to get the documents. All of this costs a bit of money. Expect to pay about R1000 for the notaries letter, about R650 for translations and about R70 per Home Affairs certificate. Will update if I get additional info but I advise you to contact your nearest French Consulate and get the info first hand as rules change all the time and consulate to consulate.

[adoptive cath]

Originally Posted by lerant

Hi busy doing exactly that. To get the long term visa you will need to sort all the paperwork out at home first. Your boyfriend will need to book the wedding date with the mayors office but you will need to first send him the required paperwork.
He can start first by sending you the form in the booklet he recieved from the mayors office. You will need an "unabridged birth certificate" and "letter of impediment"(letter stating there is no record of you being married) from the Department of Home Affairs. In addition to this you will require a letter from a registered notary stating that you are free to marry,marriages performed in France are recognised in South Africa and also that publication of marriage bans are not a requirement in South Africa(you will need the letter of impediment before to get this document).Once you have all three documents you will need to have them translated by a certified official translator who is recognised by the French consulate (alliance francais does it in Cape Town). All three documents plus translations and a normal copy of your passport , plus the paper you need to sign from the marriage booklet from the mayors office will need to be posted to your boyfriend(I used DHL). Your boyfriend will use these documents to register the wedding at the mayors office. Your boyfriend will then need to send you the certificate of publication of marriage bans (no opposition to the marriage) and whatever else they give him, His proof of French nationality, he will also need to get a "attestation d'accueil" (a form stating you will be accomodated by him). You will need to provide proof of funds for three months(30 euros per day if you stay with him) as well as insurance cover for the 3 months and of course flight tickets. You will need to co-ordinate all this very well because the french dont like certificates older than 3 months and the Department of Home Affairs can take 6 weeks to 3 months to get the documents. All of this costs a bit of money. Expect to pay about R1000 for the notaries letter, about R650 for translations and about R70 per Home Affairs certificate. Will update if I get additional info but I advise you to contact your nearest French Consulate and get the info first hand as rules change all the time and consulate to consulate.

hi lerant, thanks so much for this additional info...i was wondering where one obtains the letter of impediment from., thanks for clearing that up..so once i have all the relevant documents i should then be issued with a long stay visa......just one thing , my boyfriend is british but has been living permenantly in france for 5 years , he has a TITRE DE SEJOUR..thanks again so much

[lerant]

Originally Posted by adoptive cath

hi lerant, thanks so much for this additional info...i was wondering where one obtains the letter of impediment from., thanks for clearing that up..so once i have all the relevant documents i should then be issued with a long stay visa......just one thing , my boyfriend is british but has been living permenantly in france for 5 years , he has a TITRE DE SEJOUR..thanks again so much

yeah , that might complicate things as I'am not sure what rights "Titre de sejour" gives to the holder in such a case. You will have to get your boyfriend to contact the OFII , at least that would be my first stop. I have my interview on thursday

[adoptive cath]

Originally Posted by lerant

yeah , that might complicate things as I'am not sure what rights "Titre de sejour" gives to the holder in such a case. You will have to get your boyfriend to contact the OFII , at least that would be my first stop. I have my interview on thursday

good luck for your interview..do we all have to go for an interview and is it held in cape town......out of curiousity how long did it take you to collect all the documents you need.....
also what does OFII stand for

thanks

[lerant]

Originally Posted by adoptive cath

good luck for your interview..do we all have to go for an interview and is it held in cape town......out of curiousity how long did it take you to collect all the documents you need.....
also what does OFII stand for

thanks

As far as I know everyone has to go (I did so for my holiday visa also) which is at your nearest French Consulate, Cape Town included. All my documents (sending and recieving back from France) took about 3 months. Department of Home Affairs is the longest. OFII is the office french immigration and intergration. They have a website which has an english version but best to contact them direct.