Even Dr Zuma has a sense of humour!

[JoziJoe]

Ladies and Gentlemen,

The history of the Jewish people across the world is one of achievement and resilience.

It is a story of a people who have refused to succumb to discrimination and persecution.

Like many people who have suffered because of prejudice, the fortitude of the Jewish people has been forged in the hardest of times, and has been at the heart of efforts to build successful communities.

In South Africa, the Jewish community has played a significant part in building our country in various fields.

These include business, labour, science, literature, culture, community work and politics.

We all know that many within the Jewish community have played a prominent role in the struggle for democracy and freedom in our country.

Though part of the privileged white minority, many Jewish people dedicated their lives to the advancement of the rights of the oppressed majority.

Politicsweb - DOCUMENTS - We need skilled South Africans to return - Jacob Zuma

Living up to expectations in Palestine after a huge exodus from Johannesburg late 1980's and early 1990's.

[DannyBoy]

Originally Posted by JoziJoe

Politicsweb - DOCUMENTS - We need skilled South Africans to return - Jacob Zuma

Living up to expectations in Palestine after a huge exodus from Johannesburg late 1980's and early 1990's.

Where is the sense of Humour, what do you mean??
Are you sayin the Jews (Helen Suzman etc.) did not contribute to the demise of apartheid?
Are you saying that the doctors, lawyers, professors at Wits and UCT did NOT contribute to the betterment of S.A?

WHAT ARE YOU SAYING?

[Halo]

Its called grinding your axe on a public forum.....

[JoziJoe]

Danny, no, it’s not that I don’t acknowledge that some Jewish citizens of South Africa made an effort to bring an end to discrimination, many other groups, even some white Afrikaners, were dedicated and supported Mandela’s struggle.

It is the ambiguity of British and Jewish life during the Apartheid era in South Africa that I query.

Oppenheimer's family was reported to be worth $2.5 billion, according to Forbes magazine's 1997 list of the world's super-rich.
Oppenheimer, arguably South Africa's most respected businessman, was a vocal opponent of his country's racist regime that sanctioned apartheid for decades.
"Disagreeable though it may be, we must admit that the racial policy which has been pursued here over the last 40 years has made South Africa stink in the nostrils of decent, humane people around the world," Oppenheimer said in a speech in 1989.
But Oppenheimer's role as the leading businessman in South Africa made his position within the racist regime ambiguous.
His labor-intensive mines thrived on a migrant labor system that forced black workers to live apart from their families, and his companies paid black workers far less than whites.
His economic success was considered crucial to the survival of the apartheid government, which ruled until South Africa's first all-race elections in 1994.
The Oppenheimer dynasty began in 1917, when Harry Oppenheimer's father, Ernest, founded the Anglo American Corp., a mining company. Ernest Oppenheimer took control of De Beers in 1929.

Harry Oppenheimer; Led Diamond Giant - Los Angeles Times

One of the most influential campaigners against the "Jew-imperialist design" in South Africa was John A. Hobson (1858-1940), a prominent journalist and economist.

In 1899 the Manchester Guardian sent him to South Africa to report first-hand for its readers on the situation there. During his three month investigation, Hobson became convinced that a small group of Jewish "Randlords" was essentially responsible for the strife and conflict.

In a Guardian article dispatched from Johannesburg just a few weeks before the outbreak of the war, he told readers of the influential liberal daily:

In Johannesburg the Boer population is a mere handful of officials and their families, some five thousand of the population; the rest is about evenly divided between white settlers, mostly from Great Britain, and the [native black] Kaffirs, who are everywhere in White Man's Africa the hewers of wood and the drawers of water.

The town is in some respects dominantly and even aggressively British, but British with a difference which it takes some little time to understand. That difference is due to the Jewish factor. If one takes the recent figures of the census, there appears to be less than seven thousand Jews in Johannesburg, but the experience of the street rapidly exposes this fallacy of figures. The shop fronts and business houses, the market place, the saloons, the "stoops" of the smart suburban houses and sufficient to convince one of the large presence of the chosen people. If any doubt remains, a walk outside the Exchange, where in the streets, "between the chains," the financial side of the gold business is transacted, will dispel it.

So far as wealth and power and even numbers are concerned Johannesburg is essentially a Jewish town. Most of these Jews figure as British subjects, though many are in fact German and Russian Jews who have come to Africa after a brief sojourn in England. The rich, rigorous, and energetic financial and commercial families are chiefly English Jews, not a few of whom here, as elsewhere, have Anglicised their names after true parasitic fashion. I lay stress on this fact because, though everyone knows the Jews are strong, their real strength here is much underestimated. Though figures are so misleading, it is worth while to mention that the directory of Johannesburg shows 68 Cohens against 21 Joneses and 53 Browns.

The Jews take little active part in the Outlander agitation; they let others do that sort of work. But since half of the land and nine-tenths of the wealth of the Transvaal claimed for the Outlander are chiefly theirs, they will be chief gainers by an settlement advantageous to the Outlander.

The Boer War Remembered

Barney Barnato, a dapper, vulgar fellow from London's East End (born Barnett Isaacs), was one of the first of many Jews who have played a major role in South African affairs. Through pluck and shrewd maneuvering, by 1887 he presided over an enormous South African financial-business empire of diamonds and gold.

In 1888 he joined with his chief rival, Cecil Rhodes, who was backed by the Rothschild family of European financiers, in running the De Beers empire, which controlled all South African diamond production, and thereby 90 percent of the world's diamond output, as well as a large share of the world's gold production.note 3 (

In the 20th century, the De Beers diamond cartel came under the control of a German-Jewish dynasty, the Oppenheimers, who also controlled its gold-mining twin, the Anglo-American Corporation. With its virtual world monopoly on diamond production and distribution, and grip on a large part of the world's gold production, the billionaire family has ruled a financial empire of unmatched global importance. It also controlled influential newspapers in South Africa. So great was the Oppenheimers' power and influence in South Africa that it rivaled that of the formal government.)

The Boer War Remembered


SA millionaire John Schlesinger:

At 40 Schlesinger is only beginning. Though his social life has not appreciably slowed down, he has proved himself as industrious on the job as his father. His working day begins at 8:30 a.m., and even on vacation he runs the show from an office on his converted British Fairmile motor torpedo boat. A U.S. Air Force bombardier during World War II, Schlesinger renounced his American citizenship in 1947 (his American wife won a legal separation from him in 1958). Now a South African citizen, he has no use for apartheid. "There will have to be changes here," he says. "The government's policy of separate development is not the answer. South Africa must eventually become multiracial, but in the first instance whites will have to play the dominant role." He is busy doing just that.

South Africa: His Father's Son - TIME

Doing what? All of them publicly “supported” the Anti Apartheid struggle but fully utilized the cheap black labour to grow their own fortunes. Harry Oppenheimer was one of the richest men on earth. These people were powerful enough to bring about change in South Africa by merely equalizing the salaries of their labour force, but they did not. Why?

John Schlesinger, like thousands of other unbelievably wealthy British and Jewish families, strangely departed from South Africa around 1994, just before or after the release of Mandela. It does not make sense, why leave the country when the struggle and dream you have supported for years was about to become a reality?

[JoziJoe]

Originally Posted by DannyBoy

Where is the sense of Humour, what do you mean??
Are you sayin the Jews (Helen Suzman etc.) did not contribute to the demise of apartheid?
Are you saying that the doctors, lawyers, professors at Wits and UCT did NOT contribute to the betterment of S.A?

WHAT ARE YOU SAYING?

Continued...

Is it realistic to believe that 4 million whites, mostly ordinary farm folk, had the power, money and military ability to keep 45 million blacks in control?

Do the math, at an estimated 1:11 white: black ratio, what chance did they stand? The exploitation of dirt cheap labour resources to mine the abundant, african mineral resources could only have been a well planned strategy by huge financial powers with sophisticated military backing to enforce it.

It's no big secret that SA used Israeli intelligence in SA Border Control and Wars.

Brilliant marketing though, depict the SA white farmers as the source of the problem.

Many Jewish South Africans, both individuals and organizations, helped support the anti-apartheid movement.

Still, the Jewish Board of Deputies refused to take a stand against apartheid until 1985, arguing that it was not a Jewish one. The rabbinate also avoided taking a stance on the issue until the late 1980's.

Israel maintained diplomatic relations with South Africa throughout the period, as did most Arab countries, Taiwan, Belgium, and Britain. Despite the arms embargo, these countries sold arms to South Africa during the apartheid era. There have even been reports of nuclear cooperation. Various Israeli leaders publicly condemned the apartheid system. During the early 1960's, Israel aligned with other African countries against the apartheid system, straining its relationship with South Africa. After the Six-Day War in 1967, most African countries broke diplomatic ties with Israel, except for South Africa, and this led to increased relations between the two.

Jews prospered during the apartheid era, as did many non-Jewish white citizens. The Jewish population, however, contained a higher than usual percentage of college graduates. More than 50 percent of the Jews were matriculated, compared to the average 23% in the total white population. Ten percent of the Jewish community had university degrees, compared to only 4% of the total white population. Jews were disproportionately represented in the commercial and financial sectors of society.

Between 1970 and 1992, more than 39,000 Jews left South Africa, during this same period approximately 10,000 Israelis moved into the country.

The Virtual Jewish History Tour - South Africa



Is it by any coincidence that there is a monument to Harry Oppenheimer in Tel Aviv?

Harry Oppenheimer Diamond Museum | Harry Oppenheimer Diamond Museum, Tel Aviv, Israel | Whatsonwhen


Is it by coincidence that there are now strong references to Apartheid being practised on the Westbank?

'This is like apartheid': ANC veterans visit West Bank - Middle East, World - The Independent

[JoziJoe]

It remains a mystery as to why someone would kill off the goose that lays the golden egg.

Perhaps this cartoon comes closest to the answer:

ReverendFun.com : Cartoon for Jul 28, 2008: "The Wolf found Shepherd's Clothing worked even better"

[JoziJoe]

Originally Posted by Halo

Its called grinding your axe on a public forum.....

Public Forums generally provide an opportunity for debate. You should really watch those sensitive British toes... but if the shoe fits....


Wouldn't it be great if British/EU Educational Institutions could in future teach subjects such as :

How to colonise without causing genocide
(Lord Kitchener would have excelled at that one)

The South African disaster could serve as a perfect case study, as long as the FACTUAL events are stated in proper, chronological order :


Introduction & Evolving of Apartheid under British Rule


1892 Franchise & Ballot Act, Black Vote limited by Finance & Education
1894 Natal Legislative Assembly, Denies Indians the right to vote

1905 Lagden Commission institutionalises Racism Later known as Apartheid. (Denies Blacks the right to vote, required to carry a pass, separate living areas)

1906 Asiatic Registration Act, Indians required to register & carry passes

1910 The South Africa Act Empowers Whites with complete political control over all other races
The Union of South Africa established a British Colony with a self governing Dominion within the British Empire

1913 Native Land Act, Restricts Blacks from owning land
1914 National Party founded, Afrikaner Nationalist Party formed

1918 Natives in Urban Areas Bill, Blacks forced into urban reserves known as "locations" (Much like Red Indian Reserves)

1923 Urban Areas Act, Enforces residential segregation providing cheap labour for white industry (fully utilised by Diamond and Gold Mining Groups such as De Beers and Anglo American, the Oppenheimer dynasty)

1926 Color Bar Act, Blacks cannot practice skilled trades
1927 Native Administration Act British Crown monopoly over African Affairs
1946 Asiatic Land Tenure Bill Prevents Land Sales to Indians



Perpetuation of Apartheid under white Afrikaner Nationalist Rule

1948 Nationalist Party wins elections Afrikaner Nationalists take power in SA, DF Malan as Prime Minister

1949 Prohibition of Mixed Marriages Act

1950 Population Registration Act, classifies South Africans by Race
Immorality Act prohibits sexual contact across colour barriers
Group Areas Act, Assigns racial groups to separate residential & business areas

1951 Separate Representation of Voters Act, Affects the Vote of people classed as "Colored'
Bantu Authorities Act, Principle of Blacks Reserves (Much like Red Iandian Reserves), known as 'Homelands'

1953 Bantu Education Act , Separate education for Blacks
Separate Amenities Act, prohibits different races from using same public amenities
Settlement of Disputes Act, prohibits Black Strike Action

1955 Group Areas Development Act

1956 Mines & Works Act, enforces racial discrimination on work level
Natives Act, Denies Blacks appeal to enforced removal

1957 Natives Church Act, expulsion of Blacks from Church services

1958 Hendrik Verwoerd Era, Verwoerd, known as the "Architect of Apartheid" becomes Prime Minister

1958 Promotion of Black self government independent Black homelands established, classifies Blacks into 8 ethnic groups

1961 South Africa declares independence, Becomes a Republic & withdraws from the British Commonwealth

Indemnity Act Relieves government officials from responsibility for Sharpeville Massacres

Source:

Apartheid South Africa by British Author, John Allen


As for the future, well, Politicians may come and go, but a diamond is forever.

But while the pundits debate the first year of the Mandela era, DeBeers continues to control 80 percent of the world's diamond trade, "with 50 percent of these diamonds by value coming from the company's own mines in South Africa, Botswana, and Namibia."50 Jonathan M.E. Oppenheimer, Harry Oppenheimer's grandson, the son of Nicholas F. Oppenheimer of Johannesburg, deputy chairman of the great mining giants, the Anglo-American Group and DeBeers Consolidated Mines, Ltd., the latter founded by Cecil Rhodes with the backing of the Rothschilds, represents the next generation of Oppenheimers as he continues his work as a management trainee at N.M. Rothschild & Sons in London.51 Politicians may come and go, but as the DeBeers ad claims on television, "a diamond is forever."

U.S. Policy in South Africa

[DannyBoy]

Why are you SPECIFICALLY targeting the Jews?

Are you saying that "PEOPLE LIKE YOU" and "YOUR FAMILY" are innocent of the so-called apartheid legacy, and that ONLY the "EVIL JEWS" who rejected the Mythical Christ should be sent back to the "Labour Camps in the East" to atone for the "great crimes against the native Africans".

Explain....'cos I don't get what you're saying.

[JoziJoe]

Originally Posted by DannyBoy

Why are you SPECIFICALLY targeting the Jews?

Are you saying that "PEOPLE LIKE YOU" and "YOUR FAMILY" are innocent of the so-called apartheid legacy, and that ONLY the "EVIL JEWS" who rejected the Mythical Christ should be sent back to the "Labour Camps in the East" to atone for the "great crimes against the native Africans".

Explain....'cos I don't get what you're saying.

It’s a pity that you interpret my questions regarding the ambiguity of Jews as well as, the British, who formed an undeniably prominent part of South African society during the Apartheid era, as specifically targeting the "evil Jews". That was not the intention at all.

Rest assured though, you are in good company, being depicted as “evil” has been the fate of many nations. As far as South Africa goes, the white Afrikaner farmer, to date, still stands strongly “accused” and associated as being the major cause of the evil named Apartheid.

Misrepresentation of the white Afrikaner’s role in Apartheid (a smear campaign of massive proportion engineered by the very people who were the original architects of Apartheid) ensured that this concept was globally cemented into the minds of those just watching TV news, an audience unlikely to query the motivations of such a campaign over a dinner of bangers and mash. The White Afrikaners were not the architects of Apartheid, they were the perpetrators of Apartheid.

By the same token, the Black nations of Southern Africa have suffered misrepresentation on massive scale too, being portrayed as a savage, tribal society without structure, intellectually incapable of political and economical success.

It makes being called “evil Jews” almost mild in comparison.

The only prominent part of the complex South African Apartheid Society that seem to be free of condemnation or blame, are the British, the group that laid the cornerstone of Apartheid. Irrespective of historical facts, they live in total denial and accept no responsibility for their actions.

British High Commissioner Milner, with crucial "gold bug" backing, began secretly to foment a full-scale war to drag the Boer lands into the Empire. While publicly preparing to "negotiate" with President Kruger over the status of the "uitlanders," Milner was secretly confiding his intention to "screw" the Boers.

The Boer War Remembered

Were any British or Jewish Apartheid benefactors called to testify at the TRC (Truth and Reconciliation Commission), as were the white Afrikaner villains of Apartheid? Perhaps Harry Oppenheimer should have been summonsed to explain his actions:

But Oppenheimer's role as the leading businessman in South Africa made his position within the racist regime ambiguous.
His labor-intensive mines thrived on a migrant labor system that forced black workers to live apart from their families, and his companies paid black workers far less than whites.

His economic success was considered crucial to the survival of the apartheid government, which ruled until South Africa's first all-race elections in 1994.

Harry Oppenheimer; Led Diamond Giant - Los Angeles Times

I bear no personal loyalties to any groups of Apartheid South Africa, my ancestry is German. No need to explain the “evil” of being German to anyone, and the Germans resident in South Africa were even more evil, they slipped across Swaziland borders during the Apartheid era and produced dark, olive skinned children with wavy hair and piercing blue eyes, found to be totally unclassifiable in South Africa.

I just think it is time that, for the sake of a better understanding, Apartheid was analysed in more detailed perspective.

I wonder if the Oppenheimer family will publically voice their protest against BEE as they did with Apartheid? Will we see the equivalent of a Helen Suzman rise against this Racist policy implemented by the ANC? Are the strong comparisons to Apartheid on the West Bank in Palestine an indication that perhaps, there were some Jews that were not as partial to racial integration as Helen Suzman would have want the world to believe? Helen Suzman courted Nelson Mandela, who represented the ANC, well known for it’s communistic agenda. Yet on the South African borders, South Africans were fighting communism with the aid of these overseas countries?

Israel maintained diplomatic relations with South Africa throughout the period, as did most Arab countries, Taiwan, Belgium, and Britain. Despite the arms embargo, these countries sold arms to South Africa during the apartheid era.

The Virtual Jewish History Tour - South Africa

It’s not as if there were no other highly elligible black candidates available for election:

Buthelezi appealed to those who never had any use for white liberals like Helen Suzman, whose Liberal party had been outlawed, and who maintained a life of luxury in the midst of a system she purported to detest. As the cast of "Wait A Minim," the South African musical comedy mocked, "the only thing the liberals hate more than apartheid is the blacks."

Buthelezi, highly intelligent and articulate, played the role of the radical conservative, to the increasing attention of the United States. Capable of appearing fiercely traditional in tribal dress one minute, and handsome and immaculate in a Saville Row suit the next, Buthelezi began to capture the imagination of the power brokers. He not only spoke all the languages of South Africa, he seemed to speak to the economic and political needs of the country, with its astonishing diversity, as well. There was a vacuum and he appeared to be the only player capable of filling it. With Buthelezi and his ideas for a federal republic of South Africa, investment would be safe, and whites and blacks could be placated. Even his appeal to royalty, his professed loyalty to the King of the Zulus, Goodwill Zwelethini (also his nephew), impressed whites who sought modest change in the context of stability, and blacks, for whom royalty had always held a certain attraction as a dimension of African pride.

U.S. Policy in South Africa

But let’s get back to British hypocrisy and their denial about being benefactors of Apartheid. Will we see the British/EU propaganda machine passionately produce more films (ie Cry Freedom) and inspire more global protest initiatives against current Racism in Reverse and Genocide in Southern Africa?

[JoziJoe]

Originally Posted by JoziJoe

The White Afrikaners were not the architects of Apartheid, they were the perpetrators of Apartheid.

correction:

The White Afrikaners were not the architects of Apartheid, they were the perpetuators of Apartheid.