Even Dr Zuma has a sense of humour!

[JoziJoe]

Originally Posted by Daxk

what exactly do you expect from readers of your diatribes?
The Brits took what they could by force and coercion,
so did every other Race and nation and tribe.
and some religious beliefs too.
still do.
which part of this dont you understand?

Shame on you Daxk! Trying to justify Jewish/British hypocrisy and atrocities in Southern Africa as "just another human global trend". I am intrigued by your obsessed attempts at honouring the hypocrisy! It's just my humble, Ghandified opinion that genocide, ethnic cleansing, exploitation of vulnerable elements should not be part of colonisation, neither should blaming another party for your sins. Blameshifting by organised protests and propoganda. You claim to support Human Rights but approve (and even reward) mass slaughter of innocent people in your own colonies? Tsk Tsk.....

By the way, there is a vast difference between political activism and colonisation.

[JoziJoe]

Chinese ship carries arms cargo to Mugabe regime

A Chinese cargo ship believed to be carrying 77 tonnes of small arms, including more than 3m rounds of ammunition, AK47 assault rifles, mortars and rocket-propelled grenades, has docked in the South African port of Durban for transportation of the weapons to Zimbabwe, the South African government confirmed yesterday. It claimed it was powerless to intervene as long as the ship's papers were in order.

Copies of the documentation for the Chinese ship, the An Yue Jiang, show that the weapons were sent from Beijing to the ministry of defence in Harare. Headed "Dangerous goods description and container packing certificate", the document was issued on April 1, three days after Zimbabwe's election. It lists the consignment as including 3.5m rounds of ammunition for AK47 assault rifles and for small arms, 1,500 40mm rockets, 2,500 mortar shells of 60mm and 81mm calibre, as well as 93 cases of mortar tubes.

The carrier is listed as the Cosco shipping company in China.

South Africa's national conventional arms control committee issued a permit on Monday for the trans-shipment of the cargo from Durban to Harare. The head of government information in South Africa, Themba Maseko, said yesterday: "We are not in a position to act unilaterally and interfere in a trade deal between two countries." South Africa had to "tread very carefully", given the complexity of the situation in Zimbabwe, Maseko said.

South Africa was not encouraging the purchase of weapons by Zimbabwe, he said, pointing out that there was no UN trade embargo against that country.

But Tony Leon, the South African opposition foreign affairs spokesman, said the shipment was tantamount to "putting a fuse in a powder keg".

Dockers in Durban were refusing last night to unload the ship. The SA Transport and Allied Workers Union's general secretary, Randall Howard, said: "Satawu does not agree with the position of the government not to intervene with this shipment of weapons. Our members will not unload this cargo, neither will any of our members in the truck-driving sector move this cargo by road."

Despite international criticism, the Chinese government has been a longstanding backer of Zimbabwe president Robert Mugabe's authoritarian regime, supplying it with jet fighters, military vehicles and guns. China, or Chinese businesses, are reported to have sold radio-jamming devices to prevent independent stations from contradicting the state-controlled media, and have signed vital agriculture deals. Even the blue tiles on Mugabe's latest 25-bedroom mansion, reminiscent of Beijing's Forbidden City, were a gift from China.

China has in the past used its veto at the UN security council to prevent the Zimbabwe issue from being raised, on the grounds that the country's problems were an internal matter.

In Britain, William Hague, the shadow foreign secretary, said last night: "The international community must speak with one voice on Zimbabwe. We call on China, as part of that community, to suspend arms sales to Zimbabwe.

"The Mugabe regime continues to deny the right of the people of Zimbabwe to choose their leaders. To supply arms to it at time when opposition activists are being intimidated and attacked, not only sends the wrong signal, but will harm the reputation of China.

"In addition, it is time that neighbouring states like South Africa made clear that such shipments are not welcome."

The Foreign Office was more cautious. A spokeswoman said that Britain backed an EU ban on arms sales to Zimbabwe and was encouraging other governments to do the same. The FO said it was monitoring the situation and seeking to verify reports about the ship's cargo.

A spokesman for China's foreign ministry said it was aware of the reports about the shipment, but needed more time to look into the matter.

The disclosure about the ship's cargo follows claims by an official from the Zimbabwe opposition Movement for Democratic Change that Chinese soldiers had been seen in the country.

There were some signs yesterday that South Africa may at last be bending under international pressure, when the cabinet joined calls for the release of Zimbabwe's election results.

Zimbabwe's opposition leader, Morgan Tsvangirai, called on South Africa's president, Thabo Mbeki, to stand down as the chief mediator in the country's election crisis, as the US criticised African governments for lack of action on the issue. "It is time for Africa to step up," the US secretary of state, Condoleezza Rice, said.

Tsvangirai told a news conference in Johannesburg: "President Mbeki needs to be relieved from his duty."

Mbeki, is also under pressure from Jacob Zuma, the leader of the ruling African National Congress. Zuma has adopted a more hostile attitude towards Mugabe, saying that "the region cannot afford a deepening crisis in Zimbabwe".

Chinese ship carries arms cargo to Mugabe regime | World news | The Guardian

[JoziJoe]

Oh Gosh no, not another one....

What in the name of all that’s holy is Israel, a democratic state founded by socialist idealists, doing supporting one of the most reviled despots on earth – one who, furthermore, is no friend of Israel, at least officially. The answer may be found in certain Israeli-based economic interests, which, in turn, could have an inordinate influence on that nation’s Africa policy – specifically in the case of Zimbabwe and the “Democratic Republic of the Congo.”

Unfortunately, Israel’s policy in regard to Zimbabwe is not the exception that proves the rule: it is business as usual.

The moral depravity of Israel’s African policies are highlighted by the close cooperation that existed between Tel Aviv and the apartheid regime of South Africa. Israel provided the expertise, experience, and technology, as well as other covert military aid, which enabled white Pretoria to hold off the African National Congress for as long as it did. And, as Jimmy Carter and others have pointed out, Israel has replicated its former ally’s policy toward black South Africans in the occupied territories.

Israel Loves Mugabe by Justin Raimondo -- Antiwar.com

[zambezi.king]

I could not agree more! They are superb businessmen and they prospered from Apartheid! They saw the potential of cheap black labour and the massive Oppenheimer dynasty made full use of it, exploiting it. So why not just admit it? Why hide behind Helen Suzman and popular ‘belief” that Jews are not racist and, together with the world, point the finger at the Afrikaners?

No-one around the world would argue that Oppenheimer exploited black labour. Everyone did and still does. Now it is just as bad. Look at the orient, cheap labour is still being exploited... that's life. Do you really think that either the Far East or South Africa could either now or in the past pay our labour the "going" rate? As far as Suzman goes there are, in every culture, the good and the bad. EVERY CULTURE is racist, period, fullstop, the end! The Afrikaaner was the scapegoat (although they were extremely tough on the local population at times, but then again show me any country that has never had to give thier "unwashed masses" a good slap every now and again! Furthermore, do you remember who were the biggest anti-apartheid loud mouths... it was the USA and Australia... THE 2 COUNTRIES THAT ALMOST EXTERMINATED THEIR INDIGENOUS POPULATION!



Why did they not, like the Afrikaners Apartheid villians, stand trial at the TRC for exploiting the cheap black labour ON LARGE SCALE and were MAJOR benefactors of Apartheid?

Because they left the country and they were not required to... if they were extradited to SA then it would have opened the door for all the leaders of industry and nations to be held accountable... can't have that! Lastly they were not the ones in the death / torture / intelligence gathering squads.

The disproportionate representation of Jews in business in SA, in particular Johannesburg (Jewberg), is reported by the Jewish Virtual Online Library itself, are you saying the Jews themselves are talking rubbish? Oh God, and of course, the word anti-semitism just had to pop up, whenever the Jews do something wrong, then we are being anti-semitic? Why don’t they just admit that they too, just like the rest of the world, have racist tendencies, as is perfectly being demonstrated on the West Bank in Palestine!

Ahh, the old "double bluff" routine... any time someone mouths off on an anti-semitic tirade and is then called up on it people play the ANTI-anti-semitic card. The noe-nazi KKK kind of rubbish. As stated above ALL nations are racists, just some more than others. Why are you actually singling out the Jews? Why not everyone... afterall every nation is saying they are blameless. A recent ruling in the states has given blacks that were "hurt/disadvantaged/oppressed by the fact that American companies operated here during apartheid the right to sue those companies.



You are entitled to your opinion.

I am still living in Johannesburg so my opinion is based on fact! No-one here has a backbone anymore! Everyone was "secretly in the resistance". BS!




I am querying the AMBIGUITY of the Jews and the British in South Africa, it’s hard to draw the line as a lot of them were BRITISH JEWS. I’m querying the fact that only the Afrikaner Apartheid villains stood trial at the TRC, whilst a LARGE section of major Jewish & British Apartheid Benefactors got off scott free.


I agree but see above...

None of the South Africans currently participating on this thread live in South Africa, so what? I left for NZ in 2005 because of unemployment in SA. NZ Immigration to this day “recruits” South Africans with overemphasized visions of jobs, safety, racial harmony, 100% pure NZ.

Yip the BEE idea is rubbish... I was passed over last month for a serious step up and the guy they hired is FAR less qualified!

Jobs in NZ are scarce because of the global recession, the anti-Asian sentiment in NZ is tangible (In some aspects, Apartheid was kindergarten compared to it), I have worked 18 hour days, I was paid for 8, I have never had so much respiratory problems in my life because of the extreme damp and the mould and the housing is crap and overpriced, Auckland has a ‘real estate bubble” because of all the immigrants being lured to NZ! I would be better off working 18 hr days being paid for 8 in SA, I'm starting to think dying by bullet is easier than pneumonia!

I an not leaving because of job issues (well not primarily anyway) but because I have a wife and 2 kids that I worry about due to the crime rate. And secondly the education system is "in the toilet" now and it is only going to get worse.



This particular thread focuses on Jews, because I'm trying to highlight there were OTHER WHITE BENEFACTORS OF APARTHEID, it was not just the AFRIKANER, as the British Propaganda Machine brainwashed the world to think! The rest of my sentiments expressed on this Forum in other threads are much the same as yours.

See above...

Thank you, Thank you God!!
There is someone else who has realized that the SH1T going on in Africa is about the exploitation of mineral resources, the whole f---- industrial world is leeching off Africa's resources! .

China was even so bold as to send ships with ammunition to assist Robert Mugabe during the “elections”!![/QUOTE]

NO arguement here, it is systematic destabilisation... keep Africa off balance and at war with itself and you can rob them blind in broad daylight. The West had the continent sown up for years now it is the Chinese for the next period.

[Halo]

"Jozi sits at home grinding his/her axe with a tin-foil hat on - Muttering -- The jews, jews and those damm Brits...... They always blame the Afrikaaner deez lot...... Oppenheimer... Debeeers - ek sal jou kry" (waves finger like PW Botha)

[jojo]

keep it clean and avoid personal insults wont you!!!

Jo xxx

[Halo]

Originally Posted by jojo

keep it clean and avoid personal insults wont you!!!

Jo xxx

Always.... can't get much cleaner than that......

[Daxk]

Originally Posted by JoziJoe

correction:

The White Afrikaners were not the architects of Apartheid, they were the perpetuators of Apartheid.

And they did it very well.

[JoziJoe]

Originally Posted by zambezi.king

The Afrikaaner was the scapegoat (although they were extremely tough on the local population at times,

Excellent point. The Afrikaner was being used as a scapegoat although they undoubtedly utilised Apartheid for their own gain! I did not focus on their role because volumes has already been written about it, the media has not focused on the British and Jewish being benefactors of Apartheid, as much as they did on the Afrikaner's role.

Originally Posted by zambezi.king

Furthermore, do you remember who were the biggest anti-apartheid loud mouths... it was the USA and Australia... THE 2 COUNTRIES THAT ALMOST EXTERMINATED THEIR INDIGENOUS POPULATION!

Now we know why HALO fled to Australia, weighing up the odds.....


Yeah, and in Australia, guess who was originally responsible for the near extinction of the Aboriginals?
They were declared as being "part of the fauna" and the "shoot on sight" rule only recalled a view years ago!

Originally Posted by zambezi.king

Because they left the country and they were not required to... if they were extradited to SA then it would have opened the door for all the leaders of industry and nations to be held accountable... can't have that! Lastly they were not the ones in the death / torture / intelligence gathering squads.

Absolutely! The Afrikaner was "policing" the system for the other white Benefactors.

Originally Posted by zambezi.king

NO arguement here, it is systematic destabilisation... keep Africa off balance and at war with itself and you can rob them blind in broad daylight. The West had the continent sown up for years now it is the Chinese for the next period.

Could not have expressed it better myself!

[JoziJoe]

Originally Posted by Daxk

And they did it very well.

Oh God, which part of the context of this thread is it that you don’t understand??

I have repeatedly stated that I am deliberately focusing on the “other white benefactors of Apartheid” besides the obvious, the British Propaganda machine has written volumes and made movies blaming the Afrikaner for Apartheid, we all know that the Afrikaner abused the Apartheid system, few know aboutg the white Jews and the British!

The DIFFERENCE lies in the fact that the Afrikaner has ACKNOWLEDGED, ADMITTED, stood TRIAL at the TRC, and is busy paying by GENOCIDE for his sins during Apartheid!

While the magician is diverting your focus, WATCH what the OTHER hand is doing!