Will a non BEE person have problems working in S.A

[DannyBoy]

Originally Posted by Darko

If you have skills in emand, you will be 100%. No hostility or any other rubbish that you mention.

So Darko, what you're saying is that the blogs I've been reading in the S.A. forums are bogus??
The Afrikaans girl in Pretoria who got told by 2 BEE candidates that "THIS IS NOT YOUR COUNTRY..YOU DON'T BELONG HERE".....is FICTION?

Senior people being replaced by less skilled BEE candidtaes........FICTION??
Etc and etc.

I'm gonna go book my airticket right now. It sounds like I don't need to do any research before coming back to the NEW SOUTH AFRICA.
Heck I'll just go blindly back to this wonderful new Utopia where people are going to WELCOME ME BACK WITH OPEN ARMS.......

""OTHER RUBBISH THAT YOU MENTION"...............????
I guess trying to find out if I'll even stand a chance of getting a job and the current work environment is RUBBISH, according to you?

I think your response already answered my question of what to expect DARK-ou.
Good to know. Thanks for the response.

[JoziJoe]

Hi Danny
I don't wish to answer or defend on behalf of Darko, but I'm butting in nonetheless.

Mainly because I am in a similar frame of mind as you, analysing the possibilities of returning to SA.

Darko has presented some pretty balanced posts in other threads, I may be wrong but I think his remark was one of personal perspective, rather than trying to lure you into a false sense of security.

As a non-BEE person, skills that are truly in demand will present you with a sporting chance, most likely as a contractor providing a service to the particular areas of employment you mentioned. Contract roles have the drawback of an expiry date but offer protective mechanisms, such as unions, against abuse in the workplace. In the past, Workers Unions in South Africa were generally seen as "toothless dogs" but we found them quite useful since BEE was introduced.

Racial abuse in the SA Corporate working environment is rare, generally I found this particular aspect of SA working environment highly professional, much more professional than overseas, where racism is openly expressed in the working place! (In other words, in SA "you would not dare")

However, you have been away for a long time and there are certain things you will have to adapt to. Contracting in these disciplines are highly demanding, what other people (who are not used to it) refer to as "working like a dog", even with union protection, you could get caught in a trap of not being able to justify long hours for money. However, I have found the same "trend" overseas, especially if you are an immigrant!

Yes, I have heard there is racial abuse, pecking order issues, ganging up of black work groups by refusing to communicate information to white members of the group, in non corporate environments. I have experienced similar forms of discrimination in the overseas corporate workplace just because I am an immigrant, and let me tell you, being a true born South African immigrant in countries with a large British presence presents it's own peculiar obstacles!

It's a trade off as long as you can find work. We would never have left SA if we had secure employment. As long as you have a job, you can afford 24 hour security! Yes, life in SA is risky because of crime but a lot of South Africans have no choice but to adapt and take that risk. Personally, being unemployed is a lot more scary than facing crime.

[Halo]

Originally Posted by JoziJoe

Personally, being unemployed is a lot more scary than facing crime.

In South Africa - Yes

[bryan buys]

Originally Posted by Halo

How so? (if I understood your sentence correctly)

Originally Posted by Halo

How so? (if I understood your sentence correctly)

i have been working at a architectural design practice. and as the recession hit London they increased our working hours with 2 hours a day(no extra mony and no over time). they don't like you taking a 1 hour lunch and on top of that they made 10 out of the 18 strong department redundant. i have to start at 7 am each day and i finsh at 6:30 - 7:00pm .... i know people work hard in SA but the labour laws prevent people of taking advantage of there employees.


i can go on for very long but i do believe with all the faults on SA have it is still a very very good option and i can hopefully help to make it stronger


ps sorry for the spelling i am originality Afrikaans

r

[Halo]

Originally Posted by bryan buys

i have been working at a architectural design practice. and as the recession hit London they increased our working hours with 2 hours a day(no extra mony and no over time). they don't like you taking a 1 hour lunch and on top of that they made 10 out of the 18 strong department redundant. i have to start at 7 am each day and i finsh at 6:30 - 7:00pm .... i know people work hard in SA but the labour laws prevent people of taking advantage of there employees.


i can go on for very long but i do believe with all the faults on SA have it is still a very very good option and i can hopefully help to make it stronger


ps sorry for the spelling i am originality Afrikaans

r

No worries, you should see what my Afrikaans is like - I lived in the UK for 15 years and there are good times and then there are bad times..... You just have to save for the bad times which will always come no matter what country you're in.

I believe SA's finished but there will always be a demand for skilled individuals who will make money but you have to live under certain conditions which some accept. Who knows.... it may all end up roses (fingers crossed) but as I keep saying, its a gamble I'm not prepared to take.

Geen probleem

[JoziJoe]

Originally Posted by Halo

Who knows.... it may all end up roses (fingers crossed) but as I keep saying, its a gamble I'm not prepared to take.

Geen probleem

Must have been your exit statement when you fled the UK! Shortly after that you had to run from South Africa to Australia, where will you go next? You are running out of colonies fast.

[JoziJoe]

Originally Posted by Halo

I believe SA's finished but there will always be a demand for skilled individuals who will make money but you have to live under certain conditions which some accept. Who knows.... it may all end up roses (fingers crossed) but as I keep saying, its a gamble I'm not prepared to take.

I can't believe so many Brits still buy the "skilled individuals" crap! We all know immigration in both New Zealand and Australia is just a huge money spinner, they don't need your skills, they have done just fine with their own, they just want your British pound, that's all. Immigration stimulates their economy. Talk about gullible!

[JoziJoe]

Edited post, unable to delete above post

Originally Posted by Halo

I believe SA's finished but there will always be a demand for skilled individuals who will make money but you have to live under certain conditions which some accept. Who knows.... it may all end up roses (fingers crossed) but as I keep saying, its a gamble I'm not prepared to take.

I can't believe so many Brits still buy the "skilled individuals" crap! We all know immigration, New Zealand and Australia being a good example, is just a huge money spinner, they don't need your skills, they need your British pound, that's all. Immigration stimulates their economy. Talk about gullible! Once you reach the workfront in any country, you have to compete with the locals for work, no matter how skilled you are, and the current SA has huge unemployment and ratio obstacles, competition for work in recessionary SA is fierce compared to NZ or Oz. It's no longer the haven for unemployed and unskilled British immigrants as it was during the Apartheid era!

[Thatch22]

SA people working hard?? The weekend for a lot of people starts already on the friday around 2.00 p.m. In Europe the weekend start around 5.oo or 6.oo p.m.
And in a lot of countries in the EU there are strong labour laws. And for sure in the UK!
Always in crisis they just try and if you say NO! You lose your job. That is black mail!! Chantage dus!
greetz