Moving to SA - Jo'burg or Capetown

[JoziJoe]

Originally Posted by Daxk

Actually Jozijoe has a very valid point.
King Leopold would today be guilty of Human rights abuses and be tried at the Hague
for the Belgian Congo, the French's handling of Algeria and the "Barbouzes" actions I suppose could excuse Marseilles these days?
Gordon in Khartoum and Kitchener's actions in the Indian Mutiny before he got to SA certainly are hanging offences.

The atrocities in Africa committed by countries with highly evolved royal hierarchies, have shaped much of it's history and future. Africa's rich mineral wealth of gold, diamonds, copper and now huge oil reserves on the West African coast, is a death warrant, as is the prospect of dirt cheap local labour to mine these reserves.

Whats even funnier is that the revered Mahatma Ghandi was actually the biggest racist of all.

Not sure about Ghandi being racist, he is mostly admired for being a political campaigner that

exposed to the world the discrimination practiced against the Indian subjects of Queen Victoria in one her Own Majesty's colonies

I would like to recommend this book for young British Expats planning to go to South Africa. It is written by British Author, John Allen, who immigrated to SA. It provides a realistic insight of the effect British Rule had on Southern Africa, an excellent time line of the evolving of Apartheid, ie the 1923 Urban Areas Act that introduced residential segregation, providing cheap labour for white industry.

Contrary to popular belief, racism did not begin with the Afrikaner government of 1948 or cease with the ANC government of 1994, and it is certainly not unique to South Africa

Google Books Apartheid South Africa by John Allen

You will gain understanding and be more prepared for your South African venture, a country that is very easy to fall in love with.

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[Daxk]

The difference was that SA made it Law and then limited Education and Training.
As for Ghandi, if you read his Biography and the book he wrote after his success in India he describes the Train incident in Natal SA perfectly.

Trains were segregated, Ghandhi, an Attorney, bought a first class ticket and sat in the Whites only section, when he was ordered to move by an Officious Train Conducter he refused as he did not want to sit in the Black section of the train because of the blacks and that he considered himself and all Indians to be superior to them..

He was given a choice, get off or move to the black section.

He chose to get off
His comments written by himself in the Biography as well as in the Indian Community Newspaper he published , were Racist in the extreme.

[Daxk]

Originally Posted by Thatch22

Capetown is not better or worse then Joburg. You donot have to live IN Joburg it self. Outside there great places to stay. We live outside Joburg in Kyalami and we like it very much. We live in a green belt.
There is crime in Joburg but also in Cape Town. I think even more then in Joburg now these days.
Find yourself a good, save place for your self en enjoye this country with its friendly people and great nature.

Good luck.

greeting from a cold and windy Kyalami

Annemieke

Annamieke, how do know which is a good safe place?

[arnaud]

Originally Posted by Daxk

Annamieke, how do know which is a good safe place?

Maybe by avoiding that ? :
The execution that turned Limerick into Ireland's murder capital | World news | The Observer

[Daxk]

Hey Arnaud, absolutely
"In this run-down part of Limerick, Ireland's longest river acts as a natural frontier between the warring criminal clans of the republic's third city, whose murderous feuds have now claimed the life of an innocent bystander, a respected rugby player - the 11th killing in the past three years. "

Limerick (population 98,363)is known as Stab City for its gang warfare especially in an area called Moyross.(population 3659)

Ireland had 50 murders last year Midrand where Arnaud lives, has 28,000 houses it had 19 murders last year (19 and 9 the two years prior) 163 hi-jackings and 204 armed Home invasions.
Annamieke lives in Kyalami, opposite Bealieu, very close to a pub that used to be called Sheila's place, down the road from a small shopping complex that has Fibber Mcgees, a very nice Spur with a playground when the sewerage dos'nt back up, and Indian Restuarant called the Raj.
Midrand Community Policing Forum sector 2 used to patrol the area on horseback and all the Plots there have electric fences and there have been hi-jackings and home invasions in the area,

Arnaud, I asked Annemieke a question based on something she said.

I would like her to answer.

[JoziJoe]

Originally Posted by Daxk

The difference was that SA made it Law and then limited Education and Training.

Are you saying that Institutionalised (declared) Racism is more evil than undeclared Racism?

As for Ghandi, if you read his Biography and the book he wrote after his success in India he describes the Train incident in Natal SA perfectly.

There is no doubt that Ghandi's background and education lent itself to accepting racist values. He was born to a Prime Minister of British India and educated in law at London! India, another ex British Colony, is well known for it's class distinction between priviledged and non priviledged.

However, Ghandi's experiences on the train and a Court in Natal, then part of the British Empire, served as a wake up call.

These events were a turning point in his life, awakening him to social injustice and influencing his subsequent social activism. It was through witnessing firsthand the racism, prejudice and injustice against Indians in South Africa that Gandhi started to question his people's status within the British Empire, and his own place in society.

Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[Daxk]

History is written by the Victor.

So how many untouchables did Ghandiji have in his entourage?

[Daxk]

Are you saying that Institutionalised (declared) Racism is more evil than undeclared Racism?
No, just more visible and therefore easier to attack than say Tribalism, which is still a form of prejudice but based on the same principle, ie x is an Eloi so therefore less than me as they
are lazy and spend their days playing,breeding and eating wiothout working.

[Halo]

Take a read
Caste system in India - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

NOTE: Wikipedia is not gospel but a good starting point for most matters

[JulianQ101]

Ok back to the original thread and question... the poster asked about JHB versus CT.

I would say go for Cape Town. CT has fewer targeted home invasions and fewer driveway jackings and car jackings compared JHB.

CT actually has a higher per capita crime rate than JHB, but you need to be concerned about the crimes listed above. Plus CT really is a beautiful city. That said, yes it's dangerous compared to most western countries.