Relocating to Johannesburg

[Halo]

Originally Posted by Irish Lout

Stick to the safe areas, use common sense etc and you will be fine. The standard of living here is fantastic and so much to do outside the city too. I dont feel a fortress living in my house and dont feel nervous driving to any of the malls.

Take all the "extreme" doomongering with a pinch of salt.

Could you please elucidate on these "area's". Many thanks.

[arnaud]

Originally Posted by Daxk

Hi Irishlout, can you advise which are the safe areas to stick to in Johannesburg/Pretoria?
the ones that dont have the hi-jackings and armed invasions the "doomongers" pinch of salt
should be taken with??

pathetic.

I did not see armed invasions even in Midrand !

[Daxk]

Originally Posted by arnaud

pathetic.

I did not see armed invasions even in Midrand !

Hey Arnaud, why do you choose Midrand?
I lived there from 1979 till 2004.
which of the Suburbs Violent crime rates would you like to discuss
Vorna Valley?Kyalami Gardens? Noordwyk? Countryview?across to Glen Austen and President Park?
or down to Crowthorne and Beaulieu?

I can fill this page with probably 20 plus incidents that have happened to people in my very close circle of friends?
Armed Home Invasions ,Robberies, Murder,Rapes, Hi-jackings? all in the Midrand
suburbs I mentioned above.
Lets e tho, some good advice!
New Rd offramp, coming from Sandton, dont stop at the Robots late at night, they hide behind the Armco barriers on the left hand side, if you turn left, and then 1st left again, the Fourway stop is a favourite, if you get down to the small shopping centre on the left, my wife's 21 Yo PA was kidnapped outside the Gym there and gang raped, one of the Detectives GF at the midrand SAPS station was caught wearing her stolen designer Tracksuit.
Friends daughters Fiance died last year after being shot in a hi-jack in Vorna Valley, June this year Sampson(cant remember his first name) was hi-jacked and mananged to kill one of the hi-jackers with a knife
etc..etc..
shall I continue? Arnaud?
or will you refer to me as a Racist again?

[Irish Lout]

Well lets so - I dont see many "armed invasions" and hi-jacking in areas like Dainfern, Fourways Gardens etc, not even in Parkhurst.

Halo & Daxk, I think its time someone stood up to you both. Im sick of seeing you bully people with different views to your own and pour so much negativity and scare mongering in these forums. You dont live here now and base all your opinions on your past experience. Times have changed, things have moved on - I wish you both would too.

[Halo]

Originally Posted by Irish Lout

Well lets so - I dont see many "armed invasions" and hi-jacking in areas like Dainfern, Fourways Gardens etc, not even in Parkhurst.

Halo & Daxk, I think its time someone stood up to you both. Im sick of seeing you bully people with different views to your own and pour so much negativity and scare mongering in these forums. You dont live here now and base all your opinions on your past experience. Times have changed, things have moved on - I wish you both would too.

"You don't see many" - now that's comforting.

"Times have changed" - How so? - All indicator say otherwise, why should you be believed?

[Daxk]

"Stick to the safe areas, use common sense etc and you will be fine. The standard of living here is fantastic and so much to do outside the city too. I dont feel a fortress living in my house and dont feel nervous driving to any of the malls.

My advice if youre considering moving here - come for a week or two to see things for yourself and speak to the people in your prospective new company who actually live here.

Take all the "extreme" doomongering with a pinch of salt."

Irishlout, I lived in SA for 54 years, I've lived in Ardrahan Galway, Co Galway for the past 5 years,
Are you saying Dainfern and Fourways Gardens are totally safe?
That people dont need to worry as long as they only live there?
I asked you to justify your comments,

Now please show me where I am bullying you?

If you dont want adverse comment, dont use language such as "i've been here for 3 months, 7 days and 12 hours and have'nt experienced any crime so there is no crime, you can live your life exactly as you used to in Europe/Ireland etc.. nothing will happen its all doom mongering"
I agree with you, I would not walk around with a Nikon and lots of cash around Moyross in Limerick, parts of Dublin, the Docks in Galway, most of London, Central park in NY,
or around JHBG.
My point is that crime in all of the above is mostly opportunistic, the bad crime in SA comes looking for you at home.
And that includes Dainfern 1 & 2 as well as most of Jhbg and Pta affluent suburbs.
Dont try and BS or minimise the care that people need to take and you wont hear from me.

[Irish Lout]

Halo - why dont you come down to Johannesburg to visit and see things for yourself rather than feed off every negative post from Daxk.

Daxk, yes we all know you lived in SA and you must be the supreme expert on everything going on down here and must had had some very bad experiences during your time here.

The fact is there are others like me who are enjoying living in Johannesburgh, feel safe, and havent seen anything like the violence you keep on harping on about. They probably dont visit or post on here much anymore since you seem to dominate most of the posts and try to drown out any which dont align with your own.

Lets take Dainfern as an example - security there is top notch, you could leave your doors unlocked and go on holiday without a worry. Wait, Im sure you'll dredge up some "experience" from 50 years ago to prove me otherwise.

You'll never bully me but its obvious from all the posts you ram down peoples throats when they have the temerity to state they like living in Johannesburg you really have a chip on your shoulder. You cant seem to accept Johannesburg isnt the ****-hole you make it out to be (yes there are some really bad areas in the city but dont all capital cities have their problems?)

What you call BS is what I call my opinion - and Im entitled to it - and none of your weary, outdated stories will change it otherwise.

I'll leave you to go back to your scrap book and pass judgement on a city you dont even live in anymore.

[chinasing]

I too agree with you as I'm sure plenty of others that visit here regularly...Daxx and Halo are 2 individuals who can't let go and move on with their lives if S.A was all that bad why do you insist on spending your time in a S.A forum. Why cause your lives are worse off wherever you are now? Please it's people like you with your shallow minded mentality that make people reluctant to go out and experience for themselves a great country with numerous opportunities!!
Irish Lout I applaud you for taking a stand, against all the negativity as some people are bitter that their racist government is no longer in power and therefore had to flee to other countries barely etching out a living ...when will the insanity stop??

[arnaud]

Originally Posted by chinasing

I too agree with you as I'm sure plenty of others that visit here regularly...Daxx and Halo are 2 individuals who can't let go and move on with their lives if S.A was all that bad why do you insist on spending your time in a S.A forum. Why cause your lives are worse off wherever you are now? Please it's people like you with your shallow minded mentality that make people reluctant to go out and experience for themselves a great country with numerous opportunities!!
Irish Lout I applaud you for taking a stand, against all the negativity as some people are bitter that their racist government is no longer in power and therefore had to flee to other countries barely etching out a living ...when will the insanity stop??

You have got a point !
In fact many Saffas oversea don't accept that a black government can rule the country. I have to admit that the ANC is far from perfect (corruption, lazyness...), but it is far more difficult to govern 45 000 000 lives than 5 000 000.

Daxx seems to regret the good old time and give us incorrect information (1 000 000 whites left the country out of 4 000 000 when it is 800 000 out of 6 000 000).

It is true white farmers are targeted by some intruders and can die for whatever reasons, and it is true that some "areas" are dangerous. But South Africa is not Hillbrow as a whole. It is like comparing UK to East London (Londonistan) or comparing Ireland to "dangrous" suburbs of Dublin.

It is our choice to leave a country for greener pastures, but please don't bash the country if you don't want to be part of its future (I say that as well for many kiwi whi are bashing new zealand for crimes, immigration and bad paid jobs, and living in Australia)

[Halo]

Originally Posted by chinasing

I too agree with you as I'm sure plenty of others that visit here regularly...Daxx and Halo are 2 individuals who can't let go and move on with their lives if S.A was all that bad why do you insist on spending your time in a S.A forum. Why cause your lives are worse off wherever you are now? Please it's people like you with your shallow minded mentality that make people reluctant to go out and experience for themselves a great country with numerous opportunities!!
Irish Lout I applaud you for taking a stand, against all the negativity as some people are bitter that their racist government is no longer in power and therefore had to flee to other countries barely etching out a living ...when will the insanity stop??

As usual : Attack the individual and not the issues. (add the usual racist rhetoric and you have the post of another uninformed individual)