SA Haters

[Klebe]

Originally Posted by ROKZY

Hi Klebe,

Glad to see you again and still giving good advice

Lol...I can only try

[Klebe]

Originally Posted by Daxk

Gee Klebe, I got my family out 4 years ago, I was last physically there 3 years ago,
I spoke to my Office this afternoon, Pity about the Manager at that little pub in Fourways from last week,
Sa is a paradise, but there are also some serpents, it is in the time after I left that Fred Picton-Turberville ,who had taken his family back to Paradise from the UK, had a bad day.
For those who have'nt been to SA ,Carte Blanche is an actuality TV program and this was their report on SA TV.

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Klebe, would you mind telling me which part of this actuality report, which reflects one of the half a million Home Invasions in SA during the past 4 years is the Vitriolic invective of which you speak.

That's like using an article from the Daily Mirror or The Sun tabloids and using it as a true reflection of life in the UK.
From first hand experience I can assure you that Carte Blanche is only interested in "news" stories if it will excite comment - good or bad. Boring community upliftment stories will not be taken up by them because there's no controversy. After all, who wants to hear boring stories about people helping themselves...?

You do not seem to realise that this forum is for people who want advice...most of them have already made up their minds about where they're going. They do not really need your personal crusade to save them...they are not your children that you have a duty to educate. Give your opinion, that's fair, but desist from arguing with others who do not agree with your point of view.
Give it a try, you might like it...

[Daxk]

"You do not seem to realise that this forum is for people who want advice...most of them have already made up their minds about where they're going. They do not really need your personal crusade to save them...they are not your children that you have a duty to educate. Give your opinion, that's fair, but desist from arguing with others who do not agree with your point of view. "

Klebe, it is advice, it might not be the advice you and the Tourist Board want them to hear but it is advice.
its be careful, be aware, and everyone who comes on here for advice sooner or later raises the crime isue, because paradise has lots of rotten Apples,

You are totally mistaken, I have no interest actually in educating them,they are grown ups, I come on here because happy little Bunnies try and spin lies about how safe it all is.
I come on here for people such as you and Rokzy, if you bothered to read my posts you wil find that I do give Advice, good advice,that is not crime related, then someone posts as you just did, its all wonderful, its Snoopy doing his spring dance.
So I post a reality check.
So dear Klebe, which part of that Carte Blanche(the most popular actuality program on SA TV networks) resembles the Daily Mail?

Did that happen to the Picton-Turnbulls or not?
Does it happen to thousands of people in SA?
Were those school kids lieing?
Pray tell where that program was over the top?

[Klebe]

Originally Posted by Daxk

"You do not seem to realise that this forum is for people who want advice...most of them have already made up their minds about where they're going. They do not really need your personal crusade to save them...they are not your children that you have a duty to educate. Give your opinion, that's fair, but desist from arguing with others who do not agree with your point of view. "

Klebe, it is advice, it might not be the advice you and the Tourist Board want them to hear but it is advice.
its be careful, be aware, and everyone who comes on here for advice sooner or later raises the crime isue, because paradise has lots of rotten Apples,

You are totally mistaken, I have no interest actually in educating them,they are grown ups, I come on here because happy little Bunnies try and spin lies about how safe it all is.
I come on here for people such as you and Rokzy, if you bothered to read my posts you wil find that I do give Advice, good advice,that is not crime related, then someone posts as you just did, its all wonderful, its Snoopy doing his spring dance.
So I post a reality check.
So dear Klebe, which part of that Carte Blanche(the most popular actuality program on SA TV networks) resembles the Daily Mail?

Did that happen to the Picton-Turnbulls or not?
Does it happen to thousands of people in SA?
Were those school kids lieing?
Pray tell where that program was over the top?

Please do not call me dear...you do not know me from a bar of soap.

"The trouble with having an open mind, of course, is that people will insist on coming along and putting things in it."

Your petty, sly little put downs and sarcastic tone is wearisome.

I'm very grateful that I do not, and will never have the displeasure of actually having to convince you of anything.

You cannot be moved, and so you shall remain...

[Daxk]

So you put down a very valid peice of TV investigative Journalism as being the same as the Daily Mail in the UK, and when i call you on it, you get all huffy.
Once again you are mistaken, you can convince me,
It takes fact.
Because thats what I post, Klebe,
Not supposition, not spin, not hearsay.
fact.
Counter it , agree with it or go and play in the traffic.

[Unseer]

I haven't posted here in a long time because I've been actively planning to go home and couldn't be asked to waste precious seconds of my life getting tense at my computer screen. I haven't been getting revved up by factually selective arguments because, well, they're selective - like the Zuma trial and look what happened there. This is the first post I've read in ages and nothing's changed, it's still a pissing contest - really surprised by how many people enjoy it. To be fair, some people like brussel sprouts so I totally agree this is down to personal taste.

On that note (and now that I've finished up on the loo) I'm going to go back to reality and planning to go home. Please feel free to rip this post to shreds, I expect it to be beyond emotional - an event.

[Daxk]

Unseer, wish you happiness.
Your return to SA will fall under the same caveat as Jacob Zuma's innocence.
Time will tell.
10 years down the road and either the best thing or the worst thing.

[pegleg]

Originally Posted by Halo

Dear Baron von Munchhausen.... How can someone like myself who have had family members killed (and this is not just a botched robbery - Hijacked, beaten, ending up in a black bag) seen the deterioration..... sit back and not tell those (especially with children) that SA is a good place to migrate to.

Truth is truth... perhaps you're not affected and for this I am grateful. Others on the other hand are not so lucky.

I think its beter to leave the telling of the truth well alone.
Especially when there are individuals that still have "Business" interests, property, etc, here.
I too have property here, that I would LOVE to sell for a fair price, to re invest in Australia or new zealand. I still live in South Africa, and while I still live here, (Still busy with the visa process) I cant wait to leave.

While my House, car, and all I own is paid up for, its the way it was settled that is interesting. . .Try being crushed by a black man at work. . .He didnt even have a hearing, nothing was done about it. I had to get lawyers at my own cost to sort this mess out, and boy is it costing, first court date is only in february 2010.
Luckily I had insurances. . .these paid for my house, etc, but I would rather have been "Whole" with some debt, than what I have now.
No, SA is definately not for me, my wife and 3 year old daughter (Wife was 3 months pregnant when I got crushed- Abdomen, pelvis, left leg)

And while I still have a trade thats in high demand, even with a prosthesis, I should easily make a go of it. Here in SA, with the current company, they said I can never climb the ladder because of it, so I prefer a country that is more flexible and without the affirmative action.

Nah, you can have SA. just buy my house, and I will glady invest else where.

[Darko]

I've seen "advice" like that from the "SA Haters" before.

1st piece of advice:

"Leave SA now, before the ZAR hits 30 against the GBP...then it will be too late". This was when the ZAR was 15 odd to 1, and these "SA haters" predicted 30:1 in no time. It currently stands at a very low 12.8ish to 1. I hope nobody left on that sound piece of advice.

2nd piece of advice:

"Just wait for the 2009 elections - you will see tribalism and bloodshed at its worst - and then you will realise that you should've left SA". Now I'm not being funny or anything....but these were the most peaceful elections i have ever encountered.

So please, treat the term "advice" with a pinch of salt. If these "SA Haters" were so good at giving advice and predicting armageddon, they woudl all be billionairres.

I think the reason we see such individuals with negative eyes, is because of their relentless knack to will / wish SA into doom - and somehow it just doesn't happen in reality. They are simply bored in my view.

[Daxk]

Gee Darko, I'm certainly not giving advice.
And I certainly dont speak for anyone else except me.

There's a very fast way to shut me up, Darko.
Prove me wrong.
In addition, most predictions are based on historical fact.

I am amazed(and grateful) that the ZAR is doing as well as it is.
When was that small bounce when the News hit that Trevor Manuel had resigned?
Within my lifetime the rand was at 2 to the £, I also recall 21 to the £ within my childs lifetime.
What was the rand when we had that little bout of Xenophobia?
Are you saying that the current good performance is going to continue ad infinitum?

Again I am extremely grateful that there was as little violence at this election.
94,2001 and 2005 elections all had Zulu's and Xhosa's killing each other and a very high murder rate, so on probability theory, Mbeki/Zuma/Cope/IFP and all the shenanigans with Malema and Ancyl,there was a strong possibility.
or are you saying that tribal factionalism in SA politics is past?

My point on this thread is that all the little titles and comments such as your
"I think the reason we see such individuals with negative eyes, is because of their relentless knack to will / wish SA into doom - and somehow it just doesn't happen in reality. They are simply bored in my view. "
Is simply trying to negate the horrible truth that SA is failing because those in power are corrupt and the electorate ignorant.

Tell me, do you also see Archbishop Desmond Tutu's recent comments as willing SA into doom?

What would it take to turn SA into a typical failed African State?