SA Haters

[JoziJoe]

Originally Posted by Stevan

please elaborate

OK, here goes but I can guarantee you won't like this:

South African Whites have done their bit:

1) Afrikaner Nationalists openly declared their racism, they chose not to practice undeclared racism as other countries do. (I know, that is a hard one to swallow)

2) SA Whites voted for the end of racial discrimination in 1992

3) In 1994, we welcomed a new Leader that promised :

Never, never and never again shall it be that this beautiful land will again experience the oppression of one by another and suffer the indignity of being the skunk of the world.

http://www.anc.org.za/ancdocs/speeches/inaugpta.html

4) Truth and Reconcilliation Commission
Trials that investigated the atrocities and villians of Apartheid.

The work of the TRC was accomplished through three committees:

* The Human Rights Violations Committee investigated human rights abuses that occurred between 1960 and 1994.
* The Reparation and Rehabilitation Committee was charged with restoring victims' dignity and formulating proposals to assist with rehabilitation.
* The Amnesty Committee considered applications from individuals who applied for amnesty in accordance with the provisions of the Act.

Truth and Reconciliation Commission (South Africa) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Perhaps the British Crown should have stood trial at the TRC as well?

[Stevan]

QUOTE]OK, here goes but I can guarantee you won't like this:[/QUOTE]

An assumption on your part with no grounding in fact.

I would be intrested to know what putting the british crown on trail would achieve, the crown now beiing only a cermonial position.

If you mean the british goverment. I believe that there are many things the current goverment should be held accountable for. The wrong doings of goverments past is not at the top of my list.

Would an appology from gordon brown make any diffrence now, i realy do not think so.

[Halo]

Originally Posted by JoziJoe

If you migrated for better prospects, I envy you. I fled/ran because of the fear of unemployment and a government that now practises aggressive racism in reverse. I am in exile, you are an immigrant.

Let me guess - Its the fault of the British............

[JoziJoe]

Originally Posted by Stevan

I would be intrested to know what putting the british crown on trail would achieve, the crown now beiing only a cermonial position.

If you mean the british goverment. I believe that there are many things the current goverment should be held accountable for. The wrong doings of goverments past is not at the top of my list.

Would an appology from gordon brown make any diffrence now, i realy do not think so.

I repeat, no apology from the British Crown or Government (whose ceremonial position probably creates a convenient illusion that they have no say in political matters), is going to help the victims of the genocide / ethnic cleansing /violence taking place in Southern Africa.

The British standing trial for introducing a system, that segregated Blacks from Whites for the sake of exploiting cheap Black Labour, is a different matter altogether.

Fair trials require intensive investigation, it would be almost impossible to separate the ‘co-operation’ between British Rule and their financial interests in South Africa, involving de Beers, JCI, Anglo American, etc.

De Beers’ mines made use of the segregated compound system, miners were virtual prisoners until their contracts were up. They made use of the pass laws, once released from the compounds, miners had no free movement in the country.

De Beers shaped many of the systems on which Apartheid was later based, the whole country would not become unlike a de Beers mining camp.

Taking an educated guess, I would imagine such a trial would cause great international embarrassment. British propaganda and branding (also known as smear campaigns), once so intensely focused on the sins of Afrikaner Nationalists, would now have to “diplomatically announce” their own vital role, motivated by financial gain, in laying the foundations for racial hatred in Southern Africa.

While the two main forces in the Anglo-Boer War 2 were White, it was not an exclusively White war. At least 15 000 Blacks were used as combatants by the British, especially as scouts to track down Boer commandoes and armed block house guards, but also in non-combatant roles by both British and Boer forces as wagon drivers, etc. They suffered severely as result of the British “scorched earth policy” during which those who lived on White farms were removed to concentration camps, as were the women and children of their White employers. The rural economy was destroyed as crops were ravaged and livestock butchered. Displaced and captured civilians were forced into ‘refugee camps', a total misnomer, because more often they did not seek refuge in the camps, but were rounded up by the British forces and forced into the camps, which soon became known as ‘concentration camps'. Field-Marshal Lord Roberts had an ulterior motive in putting Blacks into camps, namely to make them work, either to grow crops for the troops or to dig trenches, be wagon drivers or work as miners once the gold mines became partly operational again. They did not receive rations, hardly any medical support or shelter and were expected to grow their own crops. The able-bodied who could work, could exchange labour for food or buy mealie meal at a cheaper price. The British along racial lines separated the White and Black camps. The inmates of the Black camps, situated along railway lines and on the border, became the eyes and ears of the British army. They formed an early warning system against Boer attacks on the British military's primary logistic artery – the railway lines and acted as scouts for British forces. This strategy alienated Whites and Blacks from each other by furthering distrust between the two population groups and was detrimental to racial harmony in South Africa after the war.

Feature Timeline - Black Concentration Camps during the Anglo-Boer War 2

Standing trial also means that the British would have to intervene and take responsibility for those being persecuted as a result of current racial hatred in their ex colonies, be it illegal refugees or the victims of “Payback”. The British had no problem intervening when Whites were exploiting Blacks but is “dilatory” and slothful taking action now that much worse human rights abuses are taking place in their ex colonies.

British International clout, demonstrating their distinct displeasure with current Southern African human rights atrocities, instead of knighting mass murderer Robert Mugabe, would place pressure on the current black governments to “revise strategies”. Who knows, it could even result in something as logical as empowering a Police force to take control of crime!

[JoziJoe]

Originally Posted by Halo

Let me guess - Its the fault of the British............

No, No, you got it wrong Halo, according to the British Propaganda machine, the Afrikaner Nationalists caused all the problems in South Africa.

[Halo]

Originally Posted by JoziJoe

No, No, you got it wrong Halo, according to the British Propaganda machine, the Afrikaner Nationalists caused all the problems in South Africa.

Sure.... let me guess they are also responsible for the million deaths in Rwanda. You really need to take those blinkers off and look closer to home. The problems in Africa started long before the Brits came over.

PS if you look at the colonies that were under British rule compared to those of the Portuguese/Germans etc.... Who left a system in place? You really need to take those rose coloured specs of. The Brits are by no means perfect but who is?

[Stevan]

So where do we start.

Norway for the vikings
Italy for the romans and the list can go on.

The crown in UK has no political clout.
The UK goverment has little clout they dance to the tune of the EU and USA.

Every goverment in every country is controled by the needs of big coperations.
Would we have had 2 gulf wars if it werent for Oil, i dont think so.

British International clout, demonstrating their distinct displeasure with current Southern African human rights atrocities, instead of knighting mass murderer Robert Mugabe, would place pressure on the current black governments to “revise strategies”. Who knows, it could even result in something as logical as empowering a Police force to take control of crime!

I can imaagin the outcry if the UK tried to get involved in Southern Afrcan poltics.

I happen to agree with you over Mugabe, if the country was oil rich i am sure the tanks would have rolled and the airstrikes started long ago

[JoziJoe]

Originally Posted by Halo

You really need to take those blinkers off and look closer to home.

“looking closer to home” Are you referring to the “popular” theory that the indigenous people of the “dark continent” are intellectually incapable of “picking themselves up”? If you are , then you are on thin ice considering the “fashionable “ non racist image the British attributes themselves. It’s my turn to say “it’s unbelievable that people can believe this kind of anthropologic (new word) crap”.

Intellectual development is determined by opportunity, not race. (Ask Angeline Jolie and Brad Pitt)

Originally Posted by Halo

. The problems in Africa started long before the Brits came over.

Desire for power and possession is ingrained in the DNA of the human species, irrespective of race, tribe, colour or creed.

Originally Posted by Halo

Who left a system in place? You really need to take those rose coloured specs of. The Brits are by no means perfect but who is?

As far as South Africa is concerned, that would be funny if it weren’t so sad. The foundations of South Africa’s western style civilization were laid by the Dutch and French Hugenots, who introduced agriculture and architecture long before the rich mineral reserves of South Africa was discovered. (well known to white Afrikaners as “die bakermat van beskawing”).

British desire to occupy South Africa rose to fever point after the discovery of gold and diamonds and their interest was anything but altruistic.

Originally Posted by Halo

Sure.... let me guess they are also responsible for the million deaths in Rwanda.

Yeah, isn’t the Rwandan Genocide a shame to humanity? Pity the British Propoganda machine had no financial interest in this one.

The situation proved too "risky" for the United Nations to attempt to help.

The RPF successfully brought the country under their sway, although their efforts towards a conclusion to the conflict were delayed after the UN-mandated French-led force, under Operation Turquoise, established and maintained a "safe zone" for Hutu refugees to flee to in the southwest. Eventually, after the UN Mandate of the French mission was at an end, millions of refugees left Rwanda, mainly headed to Zaire. The presence of Hutu refugees (see Great Lakes refugee crisis) on the border with Rwanda was the cause for the First and Second Congo Wars with clashes between these groups and the Rwandan government continuing.
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The UN's mandate forbids intervening in the internal politics of any country unless the crime of genocide is being committed.
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France has been accused of aiding the Hutu regime to flee by creating what is known as Operation Turquoise.

Canada, Ghana, and the Netherlands provided consistent support for the UN mission under the command of Roméo Dallaire although it was left without an appropriate mandate for the capacity to intervene from the U.N. Security Council. Despite emphatic demands from UNAMIR's commanders in Rwanda before and throughout the genocide, its requests for authorization to end it were refused and its intervention-capacity was even reduced.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rwandan_Genocide

You only have to scrape the surface of some of the worst “modern day” atrocities and “hot spots” in Africa and you will find clandestine evidence of “foul play” and hypocrisy, and you have to ask yourself a logical question, WHY?.

More African Hotspots:
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The Chad Cameroon Oil pipeline

Chad-Cameroon Oil Pipeline Project | Bank Information Center: Monitoring the projects and policies of the World Bank, IMF and other international financial institutions

Scenes from the Chad-Cameroon Oil and Pipeline Project - Environmental Defense Fund
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(2)
Poor West Africa and specifically Angola, it’s so rich in resources that it’s absolutely doomed.

You Tube

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Anyone want to place bets that I will now be “shipped off “ to this “box”:

Daxk:

By the looks of it you are into the whole illuminati/Rothchilds/oppenheimer/Semitic thinghie.

[JoziJoe]

Originally Posted by Stevan

So where do we start.

Norway for the vikings
Italy for the romans and the list can go on.

The crown in UK has no political clout.
The UK goverment has little clout they dance to the tune of the EU and USA.

As a British subject, you would be much better informed than me as to who represents “the British” these days.

Originally Posted by Stevan

Every goverment in every country is controled by the needs of big coperations.

Yipeeeee, finally, a sensible, logical argument!
(no sarcasm intended, just pure joy!)

Originally Posted by Stevan

I can imaagin the outcry if the UK tried to get involved in Southern Afrcan poltics

Yeah, just look what happened to Canada (the Brandon Huntley thinghie) as they demonstrate what “the British” should be doing in their Southern African British Colonies. Refer (1) in my reply to Halo.

Originally Posted by Stevan

I happen to agree with you over Mugabe, if the country was oil rich i am sure the tanks would have rolled and the airstrikes started long ago

You don’t need oil to get your country destroyed, rich, high quality copper reserves are enough, these days even the Chinese need copper. Africa has oil but it lies in West Africa, look for similar strategies you mentioned by referring to the same Video in (2), my reply to Halo.

The star spangled banner in the desert sands. US Soldiers on manouvre on West African soil with African troops.

Prof Michael Klare:

I worry that ,in the competive pursuit of foreign oil, that especially the USA and China might clash in the Caspian sea region, where both of them are looking for oil. Now I would not argue that this would be through intentional policy, I’m not saying that they seek to go to war with one another but both of them are seeking allies in the region and providing military advisors, sending weapons into the area, building new military ties with local powers in a competitive way that is very reminiscent of the period before World War Iin the Balkans when you had the big powers all competing for advantage in a very volatile area

Competition that’s long been been evident in Africa too, the new oildorado that America is banking to secure its supplies. 25% of US oil imports are expected to come from the reserves of the dark continent in future, that’s more than America reserves from Saudi Arabia.

In Chad, the latest member of the club of African oil countries, American oil companies dominate the scene, they built the oil wells and the pipeline through which oil now flows over 1,000km to the Atlantic coast in Cameroon and out to the loading terminal at sea. But now the USA’s rival, China, has claimed rights and is negotiating with the government of Chad, for access to the precious resource, oil.

Africa, the next oil Target

Time for me to climb back into my thinghie box.

[Stevan]

As a British subject, you would be much better informed than me as to who represents “the British” these days.

Sorry as with most british subjects we have not got a clue.