SA Haters

[Daxk]

I think this hit a Bullseye today.

this was in response to a Expats are SA haters and cowards post.
And I do have permission to quote it.

"John, do you think it is easy to leave your country. You have no idea. How many time have I seen grandparents holding their grandchildren at OR Tambo. Then you hear the parent say. Don’t worry we just a phone call away, but in their eyes you can see nobody believe that. It heartbreaking. To give everything you loved and owned. The house you renovated, the motorcycle you loved so much. No to mention your friends. You would not believe how stressful it’s to start in a new country. These people are refugees not immigrants. They give up a lot to ensure a future for them and their children. They also feel angry the people and government of this country made it necessary to move. Once they left they are liberated from the burden to pretend that thing is not so bad and hence became more outspoken. Then can stop B-S themselves that things in SA will be different from most of Africa. They do need to be positive for their kids sake. They no longer need to watch what the say otherwise they may loose there job or being labelled a racist. There are many people how can not leave. You can not just walk over the border as you can do in SA. You need a visa which is difficult to get if you do not have the correct skills or you to old (like me) or you can not afford it. They need to try to stay positive and pretend things are OK, but you no they not. No John the cowards are the ones who do nothing and just sit here and hope things will improve. Even worse are the ones that say the stay to make a difference. They staying and staying and I see no difference. And why you hate them so much is because you do not want to here the truth. It is like a smoker who does not want to hear the smoking is bad."

[JoziJoe]

Originally Posted by TheLastBaron

Well, maybe instead of griping so much from afar about what RSA has become, wouldn't the responsible thing be for all of you to return to your country and start fixing it? If RSA is as bad as all of you claim (mind you, um, all 3 or 4 I have found so far here), then why are many, many people moving there these days? Perhaps, to put it in a nutshell, it's because things are not rosy anywhere anymore. And throwing up your hands and saying "it changed" is a cheap shot. .

I saw this thread this morning and have to apologise for not reading the entire thread contents and only responding to the part I emphasized.

Baron, I think South Africans, in their own our stupid way, tried to fix their own country. However, the "world" would not allow it.

South Africans took ownership and responsibility for something that did not belong to them. South Africans inherited Apartheid, a system born under British colonial rule of South Africa, after they stole the country for it's riches.

Being inexperienced, rather stupid and naive at the game of exploitation, they took responsibility and declared their own form of discrimination official, they thought it fit not to practice discrimination and racism "under the blanket" as other countries do! Big mistake, peeved off the British Crown and the “winds of change” began to blow! They sanctioned South Africa to death, and brought a once flourishing country, that could have sorted out it’s own racial problems in time, to it’s knees! A Monarch, wearing the Cullinan diamond in her Crown Jewels, just had to make a point. She entertains racist, mass murderer, Robert Mugabe at her pleasure at functions but sanctioned South Africa to death. Why the inconsistency in foreign policy?

Racism and discrimination is morally wrong but it is a reality of daily life in the world, why single out South Africa? Because the gullible became smart for their own profit and no longer wanted to fund your unethical global escapades?

The only way South Africans will ever fix their own country, and the rest of Africa for that matter, is by getting rid of the corrupt, murderous, blood sucking monarchies and world financiers, who discriminate against us on an intellectual basis (how politically correct is that?) by flaming ethnic conflict. If only Africa and Africans could stop and smell the coffee, stop killing each other about race and intellect, claim ownership of what is rightfully theirs, claim back Africa’s riches, it’s rich reserves of diamonds, gold, oil, copper, etc and insist that they get paid market related prices for their labour and products. If only we were not so gullible, being manipulated and marketed as the only racists in the world.

The racism and discrimination outside of the African continent is rife, subtle, sophisticated and deadly, economic tide dictates favour, not race. Just ask the Chinese.

[JoziJoe]

South Africans also made a second attempt to “fix” their own country. They voted for the end of discrimination.

Never, never and never again shall it be that this beautiful land will again experience the oppression of one by another. Nelson Mandela

I guess Black on Black racism, Black on White racism, genocide, ethnic cleansing, ongoing exploitation of cheap black labour, is not classified as oppression these days.


Baron, what can be done to “fix” South Africa?

1. Pressurise the British Empire to take responsibility for introducing a system to exploit cheap black labour.
2. Empower the South African Police force to deal with crime

Is the current government doing that?


Meanwhile, the next generation of the De Beers Empire, now listed on the London Stock Exchange, is wooing a new mistress, I wonder why?

Nicky Oppenheimer , Chairman of De Beers, for over 100 yrs the hub of a Global Diamond Empire meets the current, most powerful ANC politicians to open Diamond World, a theme park devoted to the commodity that built South Africa, diamonds.

Then, as now, the State and de Beers stand firmly at each other’s side, only this time, the State is Black. At the height of it’s power, De Beers controlled over 90% of the world’s diamonds, it was one of the world’s most successful monopolies in history and it was built on the backs of cheap, black labour. De Beers’ mines made use of the segregated compound system, miners were virtual prisoners until their contracts were up. They made use of the pass laws, once released from the compounds, miners had no free movement in the country.

De Beers shaped many of the systems on which Apartheid was later based, the whole country would not become unlike a de Beers mining camp. When the Apartheid regime collapsed and the ANC came to power in 1994 everyone wondered if the De Beers Empire would survive under the new regime. But De Beer’s overwhelming presence in South Africa’s economy is what saved it.

The ANC, like the Apartheid government before it, depends on de Beers to sustain the economy. Then, as now, the State has an interest in diamonds, and diamonds will serve anyone, anyone with money and power, white or black.

De Beers wooing a new Mistress

[Halo]

Originally Posted by JoziJoe

Pressurise the British Empire to take responsibility for introducing a system to exploit cheap black labour.

Its statements like this which hold Africa back.... Japan gets nuked (twice) and it picks itself up..... Take some self responsibility.

[JoziJoe]

Originally Posted by Halo

Its statements like this which hold Africa back.... Japan gets nuked (twice) and it picks itself up..... Take some self responsibility.

The British blame the white South Africans for Apartheid, they inspired rioiting at rugby games and even went to extent of making movies to manipulate the world into thinking white South Africans instituted Apartheid in South Africa. Do you know anything about true South African history?


The British implemented the system and De Beers utilised the system for cheap black labour to mine the diamond mines.

[Halo]

Originally Posted by JoziJoe

Do you know anything about true South African history?

Sadly - Yes..... Had the misfortune of living there for 20 years.

Originally Posted by JoziJoe

The British implemented the system and De Beers utilised the system for cheap black labour to mine the diamond mines.

Tsk Tsk - Similar to African slave labour or perhaps Russian/Chinese oppression... Perhaps you should draft a letter to King Jong-il.

Pick yourself up son - How far do you want to play the blame game.

[JoziJoe]

Originally Posted by Halo

Sadly - Yes..... Had the misfortune of living there for 20 years.

Finally! I have a real live specimen British subject admitting they lived in South Africa during the Apartheid era, reaping all the benefits, just like other white South Africans!! Did you have a Maid, Gardener, etc and what did you pay them per month? Wow, this is a find!

[Halo]

Originally Posted by JoziJoe

Finally! I have a real live specimen British subject admitting they lived in South Africa during the Apartheid era, reaping all the benefits, just like other white South Africans!! Did you have a Maid, Gardener, etc and what did you pay them per month? Wow, this is a find!

The usual inane reply one expects....

[JoziJoe]

Originally Posted by Halo

Its statements like this which hold Africa back.... Japan gets nuked (twice) and it picks itself up..... Take some self responsibility.

Let's not lose touch with reality here, my minute, lonesome, futile cry is not what is strangling Africa to death, Colonial Hipocrisy is causing it! It's the perfect solution to disguise major exploitation of cheap black labour.

Where else in the world can you get human beings that are so desperate that they will dig 5 tons of earth by hand for diamonds and get paid the price of a slice of bread? Refugees fleeing from conflict are even better, because they are more desperate, will probably work for an actual slice of bread! Just ask Robert Mugabe, he perfected the strategy!

British Hiprocrisy destroyed Zimbabwe, the once flourishing bread basket of Africa! British Hiprocrisy forced South Africa to it's knees! Why should I perpetuate British Hiprocrisy when the same mob is still running Southern Africa?

Nothing has changed, the politicians are mere puppets of the "Global Financiers" (ie de Beers). At least the previous Afrikaner Nationalist regime officially declared it's discriminatory practices to the world, the current regime does not and that suits mob rule to a T! Finally, South Africa has conformed, it now, just like the rest of the world, practices undeclared discrimination!

[JoziJoe]

Originally Posted by JoziJoe

Just ask Sir Robert Mugabe, he perfected the strategy!

On Edit: important adjustment to the Title of highly esteemed leadership.