Is SA the crime centre of the world???

[Daxk]

You did say you lived in Port Elizabeth and only visited your brother in Johanessburg. So I suppose thats possible .
You also have a personal stake in this,your Girlfriend who you are trying to persuade to move to SA reads here.
I have no stake in it.I want the country to succeed, I want people to invest in it, but i want them to do it as a fully informed person rather than be swayed by people who own or operate Tourism businesses or who have something to gain personaly.

[bovinerebel]

Originally Posted by Daxk

You did say you lived in Port Elizabeth and only visited your brother in Johanessburg. So I suppose thats possible .
You also have a personal stake in this,your Girlfriend who you are trying to persuade to move to SA reads here.
I have no stake in it.I want the country to succeed, I want people to invest in it, but i want them to do it as a fully informed person rather than be swayed by people who own or operate Tourism businesses or who have something to gain personaly.

She doesn't read here. But I sent her some youtube videos to show her what to expect. Nice holiday videos. She read the comments section and it was some of the most ridiculous scaremongering you could ever read.

For example : cliftong beach.

Comments : ?"It looks nice but don;t leave anything lying around it will be stolen and many people get dragged and raped behind the rocks. "

"The beach is ok...but you will probably get murdered before you even make it out the airport."

I mean...What the Fekk ????? So do you really think that gives a fair impression ?

[Daxk]

I dont know?
if you leave something lieing on a South African beach ,such as car keys,cell phone,watch, wallet,Handbag etc..how likely is it to get stolen?

have you read about anyone getting mugged,beaten up and or raped at SA Beaches?
The Road to the Airport? is'nt that where they sometimes throw lumps of concrete onto the cars??I'm sure there have been one or two fatalities along that stretch?

The Beach stealing, agreed,I would expect that to happen anywhere, it has'nt to me here yet in Ireland, but someone could get tempted.
The rest, have read and am sure can find the aticles again in news24 or IOL.co.za where exactly those things have happened to people on Beaches all over SA. including Cape Town.

[bovinerebel]

Originally Posted by Daxk

I dont know?
if you leave something lieing on a South African beach ,such as car keys,cell phone,watch, wallet,Handbag etc..how likely is it to get stolen?

have you read about anyone getting mugged,beaten up and or raped at SA Beaches?
The Road to the Airport? is'nt that where they sometimes throw lumps of concrete onto the cars??I'm sure there have been one or two fatalities along that stretch?

The Beach stealing, agreed,I would expect that to happen anywhere, it has'nt to me here yet in Ireland, but someone could get tempted.
The rest, have read and am sure can find the aticles again in news24 or IOL.co.za where exactly those things have happened to people on Beaches all over SA. including Cape Town.

I bet you could drive from the airport to the beach for 1000 years non stop and would still only have a very small tiny chance of being murdered (and thats understating how unlikely it would be). You'd much more likely die in a car crash 10 times over before you were murdered .....so does that stop you driving your car ? By the same logic it should. Again you're proposing the most ridicuolous freakish things as common place. Has someone , sometime been raped on a beach ? yes. Has someone been struck by lightning ...yes. Are you starting to understand the anaology ?

Extremely low possibility does not equate to probability other than in the minds of the irrational and neurotic.

[Daxk]

Sinchronicity?Clive Hunter in todays News24, South Africa's premier news source, provides breaking news on national, world, Africa, sport, entertainment, technology & more. on the beach near Richards bay?

[Chantal]

It is heart beraking to read the crime views on my home country. I have to admit though, you could be right, maybe I am just accustomed to it than that of other countries although i have to say i felt safer in my home country than i did in London. Maybe this is due to the fact that i know where to go and where not to go in my country to the pont where it is second nature to me. I've said it before in previous forums, it's all about the area and the city. This will impact hugely on your safety. If you are considering moving here it is imperative that you do your home work, much more so than other countries. It is very different to the rest of the world, you have to know your travelling routes to and from wherever you are going to avoid getting stuck in the wrong area or the wrong place at the wrong time... stay out of Johannesburg - every area is dangerous there. Other than that the rest of the country is quite fine. Please bare in mind that 70% of crime statistics are Johannesburg based crimes. Make sure that you get in touch with a fellow south african who can advise you on where to live and routes to and from places. Once you do that you will be fine.

[Daxk]

I have been asked in a PM why I am so bitter about SA, without mentioning the posters name i wish to reply publicly.

I am NOT Bitter!
I love the place to bits,my mother and siblings still stay there, my daughter calls herself an African Girl.
But, just because I love SA does not mean I am prepared to excuse the idiocy and incompetence that happens there, nor am I going to allow people to BS about its very real dangers by minimising it.
I dont care wether people go there or not.

But dont go there and think its as safe as whereever you come from.

Client of mine went to CT on Honeymoon last year,they could see the V&A from the hotel, the porter said let me call you a taxi , no thanks was the response,probably the brother in laws taxi service!!

they got 300 yards from the hotel and they were running.
They were lucky, the porter was watching from the hotel and he and two waiters ran too, the shadows ducked.

That would have given my Country a bad name.
If they had done some research they would have listened to the porter's advice.

The two little American missionaries on the South Coast who got raped, did'nt anyone explain that you dont hitchhike in SA?

The little Belgian Girl who arrived at Wits a week, did'nt anyone warn her about going to an open party in Soweto??
The swimming Coach for the Special Olympics in Durban?
Did she and her partner think a Moonlight stroll on the Beachfront was safe? of course they did.
I dont care that it might happen elswhere, I care that it happens too often in my Country and it is minimised and brushed aside along with the too high murder rate and too high rape rate and the inexcusable failure of the Justice to lock them away ,forever!
So my Countrymen all say you just have to be careful, it only happens in the townships, just be vigilant,
People are only as vigilant as they are used to.

Jhbg is the pits, PE and Durban and Cape are safer, but they are not immune.

[Chantal]

Have to agree - as i was reading your last post i found myself thinking "Well these people are asking for trouble doing what they doing, who the hell goes to soweto and expects to come out alive? It's the devils graveyard!!!" but as you have very well stated, it's not the norm. It's tragic to come to the realisation that to enjoy S.A. you have to have lived there long enough to understand the do's and don'ts. Hence my advise - do plenty of home work, more than any other country probably, find a friend there to direct you. If you do not have the correct direction you can count yourself being another statistic. Do it properly and carefully and you will love it.

[Suid-Afrikaner]

[quote=Americanmade;12378]...if you look at what they went through, there is plenty of reasons that they are behaving this way. [quote]

Americanmade - I agree with what you said above but do you think the 'eye for an eye' approach is in the best interest of all South Africans, blacks inclusive? Do you consider yourself properly informed of what the situation in the country is at this moment?

Honestly I don't think ANYONE can pass comment on South Africa or it's citizens if they haven't lived there themselves and experienced daily life.

Justifying the actions of government and the reverse racist situation in the country only serves to bring the country down further until one day, there is nothing left for anyone.

Americanmade and others with the same mentality: what do you think lies in the future of South Africa if you say that the blacks are justified in doing what they are doing at the moment? Do you believe the country will grow and prosper? I'd be really interested to read your opinion.

I left South Africa 9 months ago to live in Dubai. I had no future as a Secretary/PA there. I could not afford a car and rent on the salary I got and feel that I do not have a future there. Now I live comfortably and most importantly, I do not have to fear for my life everytime I'm alone at home, drive to the shop, stop at traffic lights, walk alone anywhere. I've been able to completely change my mindset in Dubai and because fear and cautiousness is not the most important part of my life anymore I've felt an enormous amount of stress leave me and I feel healthier.

I am white and Afrikaans-speaking but I am not a racist. Apartheid is dispicable but what happened in the past is no reason or excuse for what is happening today! I love my country and would love to go back but right now it is not possible and it would just be plain stupid of me.

[Stravinsky]

As I keep saying, this poster was banned some time ago as clearly a troll