Is SA the crime centre of the world???

[Stravinsky]

Originally Posted by neilmeyer

WOW, Americanmade I must commend you on talking like a real anc puppet. What is it that the dutch did to the blacks for hundred of years? Not let them vote? Not gave them enough ground for their cattle. Gave them jobs?

WOW, your people have been treated like pigs (yes that is sarcasm). Have you seen what has happened in other African Countries. Genocide, Mass Rape, Racial tension. Bitter wars killing hundreds of thousands and displacing millions.

It's is a common trick in politics. They call it passing the buck and that is exactly what our current goverment is doing. And by the way the dutch have been it this country for almost 400 years so I have just as much right as you to be here.

It is clear to me that you have little or no knowledge about history or politics and it is clear that you are talking like ignorant git. So please spare us your idiotic rants.

Does SA have problems? Sure they have, I can't deny that, but South Africans are so bombarded with negative stories from everywhere that we sometimes miss the beauty that is in front of us.

Finally I just want to say that it is really disturbing that you are trying to defend criminals like this. There is nothing in the world that gives a person the right to infringe on an other person's human rights. Not even the so called injustices that you corrupt ANC goverment keeps on professing.

Neil Meyer

Regrettably Neil, he'll probably never read this as I banned him a while ago

[gkloken]

Bravo Mbali -sa!
I think by now we are all "drenched in this bile" that just never stops!

Can you imagine what could be achieved if such a "passionate" person turns his energy into something positive?!
Have a great day!

[Daxk]

referring to me?gloken?

[bovinerebel]

I staed that Vet ant Pretoria Uni was oversubscribed, that as a Foreigner,even a Africanised Foreigner,you would not qualify on an AA basis but in fact would only be considered after 9.6% of the student positions had been allocated to white students.
I stated that SA has 150 rapes a day and that the conviction rate is 9%
I stated that Universities were considered unsafe at the moment.
Which of all the information and advice I gave you was either untrue,biased or self serving?
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Point 1 . Yes affirmitive action has made it more difficult for whites to get into university. However a free market economy dictates that as many as want to go and qualify as always still go. If there was more demand they'd open more universties. Simple as that.

2) 150 rapes a day. Firstly S.a has a high rape problem. I'm not deying that. It's again socio economic and happening amongst the poorest of the poor. I'd suggest rape cases in the middle classes were nominal to very low in frequency compared to the western world for example. This is due to the traditional lack of respect for women in traditional black society but also due to what is considered rape. This is controversial but a fact , these are estimaes made using sample groups where things as as drunken sex is classified as rape in many cases (thanks to feminism and it's hair trigger classification of anything as "rape"). They are also worst case scenarios.

3) Total bollocks. South African universities are considered perfectly safe.

So one was true , two was biased and three was enitely untrue. You got a full mix of it in there.

[Daxk]

Yes, Bovinerebel. I am enjoying this.
again, happy to hear.
so everyone can go to University and study whatever they wish?

To what do you ascribe the high level of child rape in SA?
If you see rape as a cultural thing and feel that drunken sex is why there are so many rape cases in SA?

If Universities are totally safe, why is it necessary to have such high levels of security?

[bovinerebel]

Originally Posted by Daxk

Yes, Bovinerebel. I am enjoying this.
again, happy to hear.
so everyone can go to University and study whatever they wish?

To what do you ascribe the high level of child rape in SA?
If you see rape as a cultural thing and feel that drunken sex is why there are so many rape cases in SA?

If Universities are totally safe, why is it necessary to have such high levels of security?

1) No. Only the top deserving and hard working students can go to university and study what they wish. This happens to be true for every country in the world.

2) Child rape (under 18) is not nearly as high as you would think. About 1000 cases in 2005 (mostly women in their teens as opposed to actual children in the strict sense) is the last statistic I've seen. The myth of rampant childs rape in South Africa is just that , a myth.

(disclaimer : I obviously think even 1 child rape is too many . i'm just trying to keep the hyperbole to minimum)

3) Universities are totally safe. Where are you getting this ridiculous idea that they aren't ? All universities in the whole world have security.

[Daxk]

"2) Child rape (under 18) is not nearly as high as you would think. About 1000 cases in 2005 (mostly women in their teens as opposed to actual children in the strict sense) is the last statistic I've seen. The myth of rampant childs rape in South Africa is just that , a myth"
Link or source please..

[bovinerebel]

Originally Posted by Daxk

"2) Child rape (under 18) is not nearly as high as you would think. About 1000 cases in 2005 (mostly women in their teens as opposed to actual children in the strict sense) is the last statistic I've seen. The myth of rampant childs rape in South Africa is just that , a myth"
Link or source please..

Here's a report on the ever decreasing crime statistics in South Africa. While some crimes have increased in the short term , all crime in the long term has steadily increased, violent crimes especially have decreased to now be atthe same levels as they were during apartheid.

Politicsweb - Top stories - 47,4% upsurge in business robberies

Now remember that 2% of those crimes happen to middle classes south africans , with the lowest level happening to white south africans.

They specifically state they can not compare rape with 2005 as the change in law as to what constitutes rape makes it not feasible. I will try and find the 2005 figures though that show that 1000 child rapes occured (under 18) in that year and that is a steady number. The point is that at one stage there was ridiculous mania protraying it as if child rape was a run of the mill leisure activity in south africa. Clearly untrue and factually no basis for such hyperbole.

[Daxk]

The apartheid crime figures are as suspect as the ANC ones.
you cant compare 93 and 94 figures unless you remove the political violence between the ANC,IFP and the third force,
Murders are down but Home invasions are up, rape is up, business robberies are up,
what are the conviction rates?
Its easy to say 82% knew their victims, but then its 82% of solved murders knew their victims.
SA\ Law report says that 11% of all murders and 9% of all rapes result in convictions.
Glass half full/empty,89% of all murders are unsolved.
find that source or link because child rapes are up according to powa and ISS

[Daxk]

if white citizens comprise 9.2% of the population and 2% of crime happens to them thats still a high percentage.
whats the percentage of Home invasions on that 9.2%