Is SA the crime centre of the world???

[Daxk]

,thank you for your wishes,Mbali, when the 4 B*stards who hi-jacked us,dragged my wife towards the bushes,who spent an Hour in my house with us decided to visit me when they were out on bail and were pointing at my 5 yo daughter and making obscene gestures ,you are right, I decided to run away.
you did say you were a non South African national?

[Moshiecat]

Hi,

I have been avidly reading this forum and I must say, it does always appear to err on the negative. I do agree with mbali in particular, about Dakks negative attitude, although his story is really horrible, I know from my post, his responses are skewed by his own traumatic experience. Although S.A is by no means a safe place, it is only fair to offer prospective expats a fair and balanced view. From my own research, I have found a view blogs from people living in S.A NOW - and its an insight into what life truely is like over there. good and bad.

I LUV SA BUT..

Inside South Africa

SenseLess Sense...

6000 miles from civilisation...

i'm sure there's loads more, I'll post them as i find them!!

[Moshiecat]

Hi Dakk,

I am really pleased you have settled yourself in Galway, ROI, esp after your bad experience in S.A (I do completely understand and appreciate your reason for leaving). But I feel inclined to point out to other people, that it may be a utopia for you, but in reality for many, Ireland, has its fair share of problems.
I am not sure of your ethnic origin, but ROI, is quite racist. I know several black people, I have met in the UK who have had racist abuse and bricks through their cars over there, I know you're not in Dublin, but it has a major drug and gang problem, even myself in Belfast, I have had people shouting racist reamrks at me in the street and another friend of mine had eggs thrown at him. Now, fair enough, crime in S.A is more viscious, prevalent and the police don't do anything - but I feel it only fair to point out these things to other people as you seem to have a very black and white view on things (no racial pun intended) and I feel it only fair to show a bit of balance.

[Daxk]

Yes,Moshiecat the Irish have become racist (Actually so has the UK with its attempts to control immigration)
far more so than they were during the years prior to 1994 (remember the shopgirls from Dunnes stores refusing to sell outspan oranges?)
I wonder what has caused this turn around?
Do you think they have had bad experiences with immigrants and refugees?
do you think that a small minority have spoilt it for the majority?

Back to SA, those blogs you posted, how many are living in Cape Town?
6K is, he is also living with minimal security.

if you figure you can discount what i say as PTSD or Trauma, plse do so.
I only post verifiable fact, I dont care wether you go to SA or not,I dont care wether Mbali is safe or not,it's no skin off my nose,does'nt affect me one bit.
But if you post untruths, or spin or minimise the damage that is being done to a beautiful place, then I will post facts in opposition.
if there are no facts,I will not post them.
But if you cant handle truth, easy, dont read or respond to my posts.
Moshiecat, as you've raised the point.
what information did I give you that was incorrect?
and where was the bias?
I staed that Vet ant Pretoria Uni was oversubscribed, that as a Foreigner,even a Africanised Foreigner,you would not qualify on an AA basis but in fact would only be considered after 9.6% of the student positions had been allocated to white students.
I stated that SA has 150 rapes a day and that the conviction rate is 9%
I stated that Universities were considered unsafe at the moment.
Which of all the information and advice I gave you was either untrue,biased or self serving?

[Stravinsky]

I have to add (as a moderator on several SA forums) that although you may feel Daxk's posts are negative, they do bring peoples attention to the problems there, which is good as people have to make an informed decision.

I have seen plenty of posts about terrible crimes in SA involving extreme violence, all from people who have lived there, and I have to say there is no way you can compare what happens in SA to what happens in Southern Ireland.

[oddball]

Originally Posted by Stravinsky

I have to add (as a moderator on several SA forums) that although you may feel Daxk's posts are negative, they do bring peoples attention to the problems there, which is good as people have to make an informed decision.

I have seen plenty of posts about terrible crimes in SA involving extreme violence, all from people who have lived there, and I have to say there is no way you can compare what happens in SA to what happens in Southern Ireland.

I also think the good,the bad and the ugly are neccessary to supply wannabees with a good cross section of living conditions,scary or not.Colin

[Moshiecat]

Hi all,

In response to Dakk, I really appreciate all the information you provided me with, as I was wanting to gather information. I was merely agrreeing with mbali, that you have NOTHING good to say, generally you can point out negatives to an extent. Obviuosly S.A has a lot of crime, the police force are ineffective, etc, but surely there are SOME good points. I would assume, most people interested in moving anywhere, will do adequate research and make a decision based on that, and its useful to hear balanced opinions - not just a barrage of hate for a place, which I said was understandable, given what you've been through.

And as for the university, I completely understand why the vet course is oversubscribed: its an excellent programme, and I understand why they are picky who they take on. But from my interactions with the faculty, my ethnic origin has not even come into question, they are deciding if my current course is suitable for a transfer, I should hopefully find out soon!!!!!

As for the Ireland thing, by no means was I comparing the crime rates in Ireland to S.A - its just Dakk was making it out to be a mystical utopia, free of crime, I was merely pointing out as someone who lives in the area, that it has its fair share of problems and was merely highlighting the black and white views of dakk, i.e heaven v hell. I mean, next door to me in Scotland, someone was brutally murdered, my brother and dad, have been mugged on more than one occasion in England and I have suffered racial abuse in Ireland, but I would never start a hate campaign against the UK because of this, I would point out the GOOD and BAD things!!!!!

I feel the forum is becoming a bit *****y - I really didn't mean to step on anyones toes, can we just agree to disagree on this point and go back to giving people fair and balanced information!!!!!!!!!!!

[Daxk]

Hi Moshiecat,I obviously did'nt make myself clear.
there is a reason I dont live in Dublin,Limerick,Glasgow,Belfast Birmingham etc but choose to live in a small place, in the country, in exactly the same way as people who live in Port Elizabeth,Cape, A live with less crime than say Cape town and especially Jhbg,Pretoria,Midrand.
Good things about SA, plenty, the weather, the scenery, the people, lower cost of some foodstuffs, and if you read through my posts here and on other forums,
You hoped that things would change by 2010, historically, ALL SA Governments in SA only changed because of international exposure and pressure.
Ditto the ANC will only do something about the Crime, greed and Corruption when it becomes embarrassing not to.
Had Mbali posted that she led the lifestyle in PE or some small community such as Grahamstown or even Cape Town, I would not have commented.
but the moment someone starts diminishing what is a real danger where I DO have knowledge of,and I am in daily contact,telephone and email with my staff as well as family and friends, so in some ways, I am probably better informed then most of the people i know in SA rgarding crime.
I can assure you your ethnicity would have come into play if you were a SA applying, nonetheless,its moot,they do have a small allocation for International Students and you may well be lucky there.

[Moshiecat]

Ya Dakk - I guess I didn't interpret you correctly there, and I apologise! I totally get the living in a small rural location, I grew up in a tiny village in Scotland, and used to feed the cows in the fields and play in the grass, just outside the house, so I do know how idyllic that is and it defo a better environmrnt for your wee girl than S.A from the sounds of it and when I moved to the city it is a big diff and you appear to acknowledge that.

I really have taken on board what you have said, and i'm not 100% either way, but if I was to get in, it would be a once in a lifetime oppurtunity aswell! Its a shame about the allocation of places, it should be based on merit - with maybe a proportion of allocated place for people from tougher backgrounds.

I must say, before I considered S.A, I didn't know much, if anything about the politics over there, but since doing some reading, it is so disapointing to disciver all the greed and corruption and inaction at crucial times, esp the recent violence against foreigners. The only bonus, is that it is getting international coverage and may just *force* them to do something and bring about some positive changes.

[neilmeyer]

Originally Posted by Americanmade

Actually it is not your country BUT the Blacks country and if you look at what they went through, there is plenty of reasons that they are behaving this way.
Funny, what is happening now is no more discusting and dispicable than what happened to them for hundreds of years by the hands of the Dutch. I wonder how much you said and did to help the Blacks when the Dutch were treating them as slaves for so long in their own country!

WOW, Americanmade I must commend you on talking like a real anc puppet. What is it that the dutch did to the blacks for hundred of years? Not let them vote? Not gave them enough ground for their cattle. Gave them jobs?

WOW, your people have been treated like pigs (yes that is sarcasm). Have you seen what has happened in other African Countries. Genocide, Mass Rape, Racial tension. Bitter wars killing hundreds of thousands and displacing millions.

It's is a common trick in politics. They call it passing the buck and that is exactly what our current goverment is doing. And by the way the dutch have been it this country for almost 400 years so I have just as much right as you to be here.

It is clear to me that you have little or no knowledge about history or politics and it is clear that you are talking like ignorant git. So please spare us your idiotic rants.

Does SA have problems? Sure they have, I can't deny that, but South Africans are so bombarded with negative stories from everywhere that we sometimes miss the beauty that is in front of us.

Finally I just want to say that it is really disturbing that you are trying to defend criminals like this. There is nothing in the world that gives a person the right to infringe on an other person's human rights. Not even the so called injustices that you corrupt ANC goverment keeps on professing.

Neil Meyer