I never thought of South Africa

[Halo]

Originally Posted by SABrits

Actually no - the UK has beaten all those records. South Africa does NOT have the highest crime rate - see all the local papers here for the records

Huh? Please explain who does......

[SABrits]

Maybe you should read the papers! Article of July 2, 2009 and the EU rating of violent crime. In short, UK per 100,000 2.034 and then Austria 1.677 and the list continues and SA comes in with 1.609 in TROUBLESOME spots. Hope that helps! Oh and by the way this comes from an official EU report across WW countries incl USA. Should you wish more info on the report I will let you have the email address.

[SABrits]

Easy - UK, Austria, Sweden Belgium and the list continues until eventually you get to RSA.

[SABrits]

Is one not allowed to gain experience? Can you only do this if in SA? I thought you could gain experience anywhere in the world? Broaden your horizons you are taught at school.... well I have now been an expat for 25 years living in darkest Africa, been shot at, and I have experience!

[Daxk]

Originally Posted by Daxk

SABrits, kindly post the comparison between the UK and SA Crime rates per 100,000 population iro of serious crime such as Murder/manslaughter/ and rape.
Kindly also post the UK Commissioner of Police's comm,ents regarding what Assault refers to in the UK,especially the meaning of the word "Affray"
After that would you mind posting the independent research by UNISA and the SA Law Society on firstly Detection rates (ie a crime is committed and someone is charged) and Conviction rates for the above crimes.
Thank you,

SABrits, Kindly post the exact comparisons of the crimes above,.
In addition, which part of SA is still darkest Africa unless you are referring to the Escom debacle?

[Daxk]

Originally Posted by SABrits

Maybe you should read the papers! Article of July 2, 2009 and the EU rating of violent crime. In short, UK per 100,000 2.034 and then Austria 1.677 and the list continues and SA comes in with 1.609 in TROUBLESOME spots. Hope that helps! Oh and by the way this comes from an official EU report across WW countries incl USA. Should you wish more info on the report I will let you have the email address.

I do read the papers, voraciously.
I'm not interested in the email, I would like the web address that says that SA has less murders and rapes per 100,000 population than the countries you mention above.
Could you also possibly explain why SA have released no crime stats for the past two and a half years?

[Halo]

Daxk - This chap has to be a stooge. Crime states are normally a few years behind but you can find "up-to-date" stats on the SA police website if you like. (It should be taken with a pinch of salt as in the UK, for example, assault can be if person a pushes person b)

Some Murder stats
Murders (per capita) statistics - countries compared - NationMaster
Murders with firearms (per capita) by country. Definition, graph and map.
Murders with firearms (per capita) by country. Definition, graph and map.
Rapes (per capita) by country. Definition, graph and map.

[Daxk]

Halo, unfortunately, The Department of Statistics who adjudicate the figures have qualified the results, there is a huge bunfight going on with SAPS Stations having proved to have falsified figures,lost documents,cancelled cases etc.

I wish it were true that Crime has come down, If it has and I am wrong, great!!
The next figure they have to work on is how many cases go to Court and how many result in convictions.

[Halo]

Originally Posted by Daxk

Halo, unfortunately, The Department of Statistics who adjudicate the figures have qualified the results, there is a huge bunfight going on with SAPS Stations having proved to have falsified figures,lost documents,cancelled cases etc.

I wish it were true that Crime has come down, If it has and I am wrong, great!!
The next figure they have to work on is how many cases go to Court and how many result in convictions.

Surprise surprise.....

[Jacobus (Jake)]

Guys

It's sad that we have to debate which country has the highest crime rate. It is as though we are proud to have the highest rating.

South Africa has a moratorium on the publication of crime statsistics so the numbers are skewed.

In my familly of 7, my sister-in-law (36) was gang raped and strangled to death with an electric cable in her home in Stellenbosch not far from Capetown, by three men who at the time were out on parole for a similar offence. My family and I were held at gunpoint in our own home in Pretoria, by four armed gunmen (one is an active member of the SA defence force) who loaded all our valuables in and drove off in our cars. These thugs wwere never caught. The incidents occured about 6 weeks apart.

It is like buying a red car. Onse you own one you spot all other red cars. Well just about everey second person I met after our incident had a similar experience. Some were not lucky enough as we were to survive to tell the story.

Anyway, we are here in Australia now and love it. We need to help Australians appreciate what they have. Rececnt news reports show how quickly things can change.

Any comments?

Cheers
Jake