Moving to SA- Would love to get your advice.

[Johanna]

Originally Posted by DonoZA

My advice: don't do it. An entire generation of the white population (who have left since '94, more in the last few years) can't be wrong.

DonoZA, this smacks of racism.

Do you realise how many Indian, black or mixed-race people have left SA and how many similar people have moved to SA?

I do not have exact numbers, but people migrate all over the world.

[DonoZA]

Edited.

[DonoZA]

For some reason I can't edit my post above. My message was:

Originally Posted by Johanna

DonoZA, this smacks of racism.

Do you realise how many Indian, black or mixed-race people have left SA and how many similar people have moved to SA?

I do not have exact numbers, but people migrate all over the world.

I don't see how this can be racist - do you live in SA right now? With all due respect, your reaction is typical of people in this country that cries racism at just about anything the moment race is mentioned.

I was referring to this:
Million whites leave SA - study | Fin24


It is well known that although ALL races migrate, the overwhelming majority that choose to leave SA are white. Does that make them all racists?

The fact that there are members of all races leaving just further justifies my point - if you have everything in your favour as a person of the Designated Group, and you STILL want to leave, then something is seriously wrong with the country.

And as for how many people of "Indian, black or mixed-race" that have moved to SA - most of those immigrants are coming from our north african countries. Those countries are just further down the path of destruction than SA. Naturally they will want to come here since it's one of the last "relatively good" countries left on the continent.

[Johanna]

Originally Posted by DonoZA

I don't see how this can be racist - do you live in SA right now?

Yip, I live here, returned from UK after living there for almost 11 years.


Just as a matter of interest, three posters on this thread are European.

[DonoZA]

Well thats good that this is good enough for them. If electric fences, burglar bars, endless traffic, lawlessness and filth (not that the UK is much better on that last one) are what they are after, then this is the perfect place for them!

They must love the weather, though.

[arnaud]

Originally Posted by DonoZA

For some reason I can't edit my post above. My message was:



I don't see how this can be racist - do you live in SA right now? With all due respect, your reaction is typical of people in this country that cries racism at just about anything the moment race is mentioned.

I was referring to this:
Million whites leave SA - study | Fin24


It is well known that although ALL races migrate, the overwhelming majority that choose to leave SA are white. Does that make them all racists?

The fact that there are members of all races leaving just further justifies my point - if you have everything in your favour as a person of the Designated Group, and you STILL want to leave, then something is seriously wrong with the country.

And as for how many people of "Indian, black or mixed-race" that have moved to SA - most of those immigrants are coming from our north african countries. Those countries are just further down the path of destruction than SA. Naturally they will want to come here since it's one of the last "relatively good" countries left on the continent.

White group is the fastest growing population group in SA.
Don't know what you are talking about.

Countries like NZ or Ireland suffer more of Brain Drain than SA. Are they finished countries ?

[WhenweB]

Originally Posted by DonoZA

Well thats good that this is good enough for them. If electric fences, burglar bars, endless traffic, lawlessness and filth (not that the UK is much better on that last one) are what they are after, then this is the perfect place for them!

They must love the weather, though.

DonoZA - with all due respect I take umbridge to the bit about UK not being much better (referring to filth). I am South African, living in UK for 15 years and desperate to go back to SA but my desire to return is because I love and miss SA - I would never ever slag off UK and especially imply it is filthy because it is a stunning country. The people here (indiginous British people of all races as I know some immigrants aren't as particular about keeping the country beautiful) take good care of the countryside, nature, animals and historical buildings. The streets are generally clean and the council workers well paid. Just had to mention that as I would hate my reasons for wanting to return to SA to be misunderstood - I want to return because I love SA not because I hate UK. There is a difference.

[concord]

Originally Posted by arnaud

White group is the fastest growing population group in SA.
Countries like NZ or Ireland suffer more of Brain Drain than SA. Are they finished countries ?

Arnaud, can you please post the link which proves that white group is the fastest growing populationin SA?

Statistics South Africa - Home
This is what I found on my side. You can basically keep track of demographical situation in SA here. If you check it you'll see that the white population in 1995 was 5,22 mln. Then in 2000 it became 4,52 mln and differed from year to year growing or diminishing a bit.
In 2010 the white population was 4,58 mln and in 2011 4,56. So I dont see any fast grow. Unless you have different information and sources.
The point is it's a real brain drain in SA. It's not only about black or white or Indian. I cant judge Ireland or NZ to say if they're finished because I dont have any information regarding the measures their governments take to stop brain drain. But I do know what South African government does - AA for example. That's the main reason (plus crime of course) why most of white people (professionals!!!) left the country. If nothing changes in this area professionals won't stop leaving SA.

P.S. Even if the white population were the fastest growing it wouldn't really change a demographical picture in the country anyway. Why? Because the amount of blacks is 39 mln and I don't know how many unaccounted black immigrants are in SA as well (and of course SA government welcomes those people. They get their permits and can work). Amount of whites is 4,565 mln and who knows if they counted those whites who actually work abroad on cruise liners, in Dubai etc. and don't contribute to thecountry's economy. If they counted those people then white population is even smaller.

[arnaud]

Originally Posted by concord

Arnaud, can you please post the link which proves that white group is the fastest growing populationin SA?

Statistics South Africa - Home
This is what I found on my side. You can basically keep track of demographical situation in SA here. If you check it you'll see that the white population in 1995 was 5,22 mln. Then in 2000 it became 4,52 mln and differed from year to year growing or diminishing a bit.
In 2010 the white population was 4,58 mln and in 2011 4,56. So I dont see any fast grow. Unless you have different information and sources.
The point is it's a real brain drain in SA. It's not only about black or white or Indian. I cant judge Ireland or NZ to say if they're finished because I dont have any information regarding the measures their governments take to stop brain drain. But I do know what South African government does - AA for example. That's the main reason (plus crime of course) why most of white people (professionals!!!) left the country. If nothing changes in this area professionals won't stop leaving SA.

P.S. Even if the white population were the fastest growing it wouldn't really change a demographical picture in the country anyway. Why? Because the amount of blacks is 39 mln and I don't know how many unaccounted black immigrants are in SA as well (and of course SA government welcomes those people. They get their permits and can work). Amount of whites is 4,565 mln and who knows if they counted those whites who actually work abroad on cruise liners, in Dubai etc. and don't contribute to thecountry's economy. If they counted those people then white population is even smaller.

Please read White South African - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It is known the white population was undercounted. I don't know how many illegal foreigners live in South Africa.
Znyway, let's stick to the topic and let biased posts apart.

[concord]

Originally Posted by arnaud

Please read White South African - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It is known the white population was undercounted. I don't know how many illegal foreigners live in South Africa.
Znyway, let's stick to the topic and let biased posts apart.

Actually Wikipedia says: "Despite the decline, between 2009 and 2010, not only did the number of white South Africans increase by 112,000, but even their percentage increased from 9.1 to 9.2%.[24] This made them the fastest growing ethnic group in that period of time, with a growth rate of 2.5%, far higher than the 1.4% for black South Africans."

Which means that the growth was between 2009 and 2010. But between 2010 and 2011 there was decline again from 4,5847 to 4,5658 so it was about 19 000. Basically you can say the white population grows one year, the next year decreases but one year is not enough to claim that it's the fastest growing group or race unless the tendency keeps for at least a couple of years.

But you're right we must stick to the topic.