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Old 9th June 2011, 04:43 AM
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Take a look at what she's wearing and all of the unnecessary PDA!

John and Toni Terry's show of togetherness (part two): Couple enjoy passionate clinch on family holiday | Mail Online

It doesn't take much for me to get annoyed with Terry but is his wife's swimsuit and behaviour really appropriate, considering there are children around? I understand that they are in some hotel's private beach, but what about "respecting" the culture of country that you are visiting?

Then the regular people read articles like this and see pictures of WAGs semi-naked in Dubai and think they can get away with it too! Here's one of the comments on the article:
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Footballers always seem to go to the middle east on holidays. I thought Abu Dhabi was even stricter than Dubai. The laws must be very relaxed for westerners on the beach if they were able to get away with that behaviour and that swimsuit!

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It's a difficult one, Pammy. The hypocrisy is as always, palpable.

People, groups and even whole societies can and do tend to be very judgemental trying to uphold moral and ethical codes regarding sex and sexual behaviour - against something that is really quite normal for us humans to do.

In this instance, publishing salacious photographs such as these, imo, is a good thing. (Not that I care one iota about Terry, his wife and their martial issues nor the sales of the Daily Mail.) These photos being on one side of the scale through to the dark and dangerous men who write the laws of how their "people" should and must live their lives.

I am only hoping that there are certain law-makers in the UAE are squirming whilst reading the article.

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Surely on his salary, the wife would be able to afford the rest of that swimsuit! There's barely any material there to cover her modesty!

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Hmmm to be honest the only crime I feel she is committing is a fashion crime.

I don't really have any knowledge of this guy or his wife but tbh I honestly am of the opinion that kissing someone you love is one of the most natural things you can do, as is wearing as little as you can in this awful bloody humidity.

"It's respecting the culture" I know, but, what if you really just don't understand or respect certain parts of it? I think this religious (not just Islamic) obsession of covering your body and the most beautiful thing about humans, the capacity to love another person, is completely weird and not at all respectable.

Why Westerners find it most difficult is that in the west secularism and human rights laws allow for some sort of recourse against such backward thinking. (Sorry Pammy I don't mean you I am referring to the extreme end of the scale - and you are right she does look like a bit of a tart but I don't see it as a moral issue more of a public eyesore issue!)

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I agree with you Sandypool. Honestly, I have no issues with PDA but my main issue is that public figures such as John Terry and his wife paint the wrong picture about what the UAE is like. They're doing all of this in a private beach area but people who have never been to the UAE will look at this and assume that it's ok to behave this way and then they get into all sorts of trouble.

It's wrong that the morality police would allow something like this to go on just because of their celebrity status but then crack down on the regular people. Just isn't fair....oh wait a minute...look where we are...who said anything could be fair out here!

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Hmmm to be honest the only crime I feel she is committing is a fashion crime.

I don't really have any knowledge of this guy or his wife but tbh I honestly am of the opinion that kissing someone you love is one of the most natural things you can do, as is wearing as little as you can in this awful bloody humidity.

"It's respecting the culture" I know, but, what if you really just don't understand or respect certain parts of it? I think this religious (not just Islamic) obsession of covering your body and the most beautiful thing about humans, the capacity to love another person, is completely weird and not at all respectable.

Why Westerners find it most difficult is that in the west secularism and human rights laws allow for some sort of recourse against such backward thinking. (Sorry Pammy I don't mean you I am referring to the extreme end of the scale - and you are right she does look like a bit of a tart but I don't see it as a moral issue more of a public eyesore issue!)
Maybe I'm being a bit thick here, but what recourse are you talking about?

And I don't mean to be argumentative, but aren't you contradicting yourself? On the one hand you say that wearing as little as you can is natural in the heat and humidity, then you say that Toni is a tart and is committing a fashion crime

At what point does someone's dress become offensive and inappropriate? If the suit had a little bit more material, would it be OK? Or should her shoulders and knees be covered? Maybe 20 years ago if a woman wore a modest bikini it would have been considered inappropriate. Sure, her swimsuit is small, but maybe 10 years from now it'll be the norm here.

When I go to the UK, I do notice that women of all ages dress in a more revealing way than they do in Canada. I'm not passing judgment at all. My only point is that it is obviously a different culture. If a woman wore the same clothes here, people would likely notice it and comment on it. Again, not a judgment, I could care less what women (or men) wear. It's just an observation.

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Hey Pam, I agree, but given the current tourism ad campaign running in the UK for Dubai it seems the Dubai authorities are quite good a painting the same false ideas. To me the sooner people realise the UAE is not the Spanish Costa's the better but the double standards are evident in the case you have highlighted and many others

Nola, I purely mean that to me what she wears is a non issue, other than it being the ugliest bikini I think I've seen. I'm saying that if she decided to cover herself up with two clam shells and a fig leaf, I don't disapprove on grounds of moral indecency, I don't think the human body is indecent (well maybe mine is!) I just think that in this case it looks a bit naff (when I say tart I don't mean it with any sexual connotations in this case).

My allusions to recourse in the west is that there are ways and means of challenging outdated/hypocritic laws for the average Joe Bloggs at home whereas here, maffi.

Maybe people do dress more modestly in Canada than the UK, I'd argue for the most part the UK is just very susceptible to current fashion trends, at the moment that appears to be quite leggy for the girls and the boys. Also I've never been able to wear much less than a full exposure suit when I've been to Canada.

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If we're talking about things that look offensive or indecent, then we should be starting with John Terry's face.

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Hey Pam, I agree, but given the current tourism ad campaign running in the UK for Dubai it seems the Dubai authorities are quite good a painting the same false ideas. To me the sooner people realise the UAE is not the Spanish Costa's the better but the double standards are evident in the case you have highlighted and many others

Nola, I purely mean that to me what she wears is a non issue, other than it being the ugliest bikini I think I've seen. I'm saying that if she decided to cover herself up with two clam shells and a fig leaf, I don't disapprove on grounds of moral indecency, I don't think the human body is indecent (well maybe mine is!) I just think that in this case it looks a bit naff (when I say tart I don't mean it with any sexual connotations in this case).

My allusions to recourse in the west is that there are ways and means of challenging outdated/hypocritic laws for the average Joe Bloggs at home whereas here, maffi.

Maybe people do dress more modestly in Canada than the UK, I'd argue for the most part the UK is just very susceptible to current fashion trends, at the moment that appears to be quite leggy for the girls and the boys. Also I've never been able to wear much less than a full exposure suit when I've been to Canada.
Looking back over my post, I think it reads a little differently than was my intention. My only point was that what is or isn't decent or appropriate is very cultural. Whether or not the UK is susceptible to fashion trends, it's just my observation that women wear more revealing clothes (or maybe less clothes is a better way of phrasing it). Again, no judgment. Same thing with Spanish Costas - it is quite the norm for women to go topless, whereas it may be seen as indecent in the UK or Canada. It's all relative. Maybe the suit Toni was wearing is the current fashion trend in the UK, who knows? Maybe she thought it was appropriate and decent. Who is to decide that?

If there an obsession with covering the body here, then wouldn't everything that doesn't give full coverage be potentially indecent?

One of the pictures shows John's suit as very low on his hips. Someone might consider that indecent as well, but again, maybe that is the norm in the UK and to him it's decent

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Hmmm to be honest the only crime I feel she is committing is a fashion crime.

I don't really have any knowledge of this guy or his wife but tbh I honestly am of the opinion that kissing someone you love is one of the most natural things you can do, as is wearing as little as you can in this awful bloody humidity.

"It's respecting the culture" I know, but, what if you really just don't understand or respect certain parts of it? I think this religious (not just Islamic) obsession of covering your body and the most beautiful thing about humans, the capacity to love another person, is completely weird and not at all respectable.

Why Westerners find it most difficult is that in the west secularism and human rights laws allow for some sort of recourse against such backward thinking. (Sorry Pammy I don't mean you I am referring to the extreme end of the scale - and you are right she does look like a bit of a tart but I don't see it as a moral issue more of a public eyesore issue!)
I agree with you about the kissing thing. And again, what is decent is relative. In the UK it probably is perfectly common for people to kiss publicly, so maybe they felt quite comfortable and natural

Since it was apparently a private beach, do they have to dress more conservatively, and not touch each other, to prove they respect the culture?

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