What's the point in googling "terrorism in India" or "gun violence statistics" just to win an argument? No one has ever claimed that other countries are violence free. This discussion isn't about terrorism in India, crimes in South Africa, female infanticide in India, treatment of maids in the Middle East etc. If you didn't hear about this stuff, you wouldn't know about it. So why can't we just accept the facts of what happened at the temple and move on?

May the victims of this terrorist attack rest in peace. May their familes find the strength to move on from this tragedy. May Wade Michael Page finally find some peace in death that he couldn't find while alive. And may none of you or your loved ones ever have to be a victim of such a violent crime ever.

Well said, Pammy. Well said.

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No, it is not about the US gun policy and you are the one who brought up the "what if" about India where this type of thing happens too often as well.

Nutjobs are everywhere, just look at recent Norway history.

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What on earth does crime in Saudi arabia, India and south africa have to do with shooting incidents in the USA?

And now that you mention it, yes there are plenty of places where South africa is criticized for its crime and KSA for its shoddy treatment of maids and India for its own problems.

And guess what, every now and then you will have people on those threads claiming

"why are we talking only about some crimes in our country A/B/C, why dont we hear about all the gunmen who go on a killing spree in the US"?

What I am trying to say is that why is gun control in the usa such a hot debated thing, when these things happen everywhere? Why do people seem to feel such a need to keep talking about how usa needs to change their policies, but no one every sits around and gripes about all these other countries gun control.

Sorry... I think maybe I am just tired of the constant pestering about anything and everything american. I just dont understand why everyone focuses on anything and everything that happens in america so much, even though so much is happening all over the world. The badgering about how americans dont spell/speaks words like british, how americanization is ruining/taking over everything. politics in america, and generally anything and everything to down trodden america. I think I need another dubai break....

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Because... that's what happens in a democracy (or with democratically minded people) - after all, the US is "our" only world power and these democratic values should be transparent not only for the people, but for the whole world - and rightly so IMO.

More specifically, the proliferation of private gun ownership and then therefore when massacres happen, makes a total mockery of all that is good and right with these values. Owning a gun should not be a democratic nor even a human right. That's the greatest tragedy.

Ultimately, the scrutiny, accountability and criticism comes with the turf, Jyxny. Otherwise the sad, sad shame of it all.

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The writers of our Constitution disagreed as do I and it is only for those of us that are US citizens to decide.

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US citizens have to claim responsibility for all the llunatics as one of their own then, looking all the victims of gun related violence straight in the eye whilst shouldering that responsibility - until you "decide" to change it.

The constitution can be and should be amended. And it still doesn't mean that I can't call gun ownership a great tragedy.

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The usa is far from the only worldly power. The sooner the world realizes that, the better. In the usa, people dont sit around and talk about germany and ever killing or incident that happens there. But go read the german papers, and all sorts of things are happening that are nuts. Same with uk, or russia, or china. When I lived in Germany, small little germany, they didnt do this. They had their own music, own culture, own news, own stuff. People didnt constantly talk about the usa. And I guess nievely, I assumed most countries did this. They care about their own and what is going on with their own country more then they do everyone else. And this is where the british then start argueing that is what is wrong with the usa... even though I didnt say what they were doing was wrong, just that I dont want to hear the pissing and moaning and complaining about america all the time. Maybe it is dubai and is different, but really, would think people would look at things that go on here and events going on mainly in their home country, and talk about their own life and happenings. It gets very old here and maybe it is why I have learned to overall avoid the british people. I really for the life of me do not get it, and god willing, I wont ever get it.

I am a proud gun owner at home, and always will be. Someone would have to pry my gun from my cold dead hands. One of the greatest tragedies in the usa would be if our right to bear arms was taken away from the average citizen. And with this, I would like to adopt a slogan from the uae.... If someone doesnt like, you can always get the flip out!

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