Where can I buy Halal meat - Page 2

John999 · #11 (**permalink**) 12th October 2009, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by maryatness

Thankyou for all that info

You are welcome
Sorry about the rabbit I tough halal meant animals killed without bleeding. Did a bit of research and now I understand a bit more about the subject
John999

MrBife · #12 (**permalink**) 12th October 2009, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by John999

You are welcome
Sorry about the rabbit I tough halal meant animals killed without bleeding. Did a bit of research and now I understand a bit more about the subject
John999

I think your post was very valid, if you sourced live animals you could do your own Halal killing.

Animals killed the Halal way are not stunned before their death; in short, they suffer. A report here on how much longer animals take to die ...

Kosher Box Operation, Design, and Cutting Technique will Affect the Time Required for Cattle to Lose Sensibility

Presumably one has to be an agnostic to appreciate this is barbaric ?

John999 · #13 (**permalink**) 12th October 2009, 08:30 PM

I don´t want to offend any culture. In China they eat dogs, India, cows are “god”, Portugal, Spain and Mexico have the “tourada”, and I have to say, between the 3, Portugal is the “worst. In the other 2, the bull gets killed in the “tourada”, in Portugal they suffer for hours before they go to the “sloth house”
John999

siobhanwf · #14 (**permalink**) 13th October 2009, 09:15 AM

A little closer to home Mary

Albufeira mosque which is near Bellavista tennis courts,

Phone: 00351-963317484

They might be able to point you in the right direction

maryatness · #15 (**permalink**) 13th October 2009, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by siobhanwf

A little closer to home Mary

Albufeira mosque which is near Bellavista tennis courts,

Phone: 00351-963317484

They might be able to point you in the right direction

That is great, it is much closer to where I live
Thank you

patsy · #16 (**permalink**) 13th October 2009, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by John999

I don´t want to offend any culture. In China they eat dogs, India, cows are “god”, Portugal, Spain and Mexico have the “tourada”, and I have to say, between the 3, Portugal is the “worst. In the other 2, the bull gets killed in the “tourada”, in Portugal they suffer for hours before they go to the “sloth house”
John999

The ritual method of slaughter as practiced in Islam and Judaism has been decried as inhumane by animal welfare organisations in the UK who have stated that it "causes severe suffering to animals."[11][12]
However, in 1978, a study incorporating EEG (electroencephalograph) with electrodes surgically implanted on the skull of 17 sheep and 15 calves, and conducted by Wilhelm Schulze et al. at the University of Veterinary Medicine in Germany concluded that "the slaughter in the form of a ritual cut is, if carried out properly, painless in sheep and calves according to EEG recordings and the missing defensive actions" (of the animals) and that "For sheep, there were in part severe reactions both in bloodletting cut and the pain stimuli" when Captive Bolt Stunning (CBS) was used.[13] This study is cited by the German Constitutional Court in its permitting of dhabiha slaughtering.[14]
In 2003, an independent advisory group - the Farm Animal Welfare Council (FAWC) - concluded that the way halal and Kosher meat is produced causes severe suffering to animals and should be banned immediately. FAWC argued that cattle required up to two minutes to bleed to death when such means are employed. The Chairperson of FAWC at the time, Judy MacArthur Clark, added, "this is a major incision into the animal and to say that it doesn't suffer is quite ridiculous."
Halal and kosher butchers deny their method of killing animals is cruel and expressed anger over the FAWC recommendation [12].
Majid Katme of the Muslim Council of Britain also disagreed, stating that "it's a sudden and quick haemorrhage. A quick loss of blood pressure and the brain is instantaneously starved of blood and there is no time to start feeling any pain."[12]
In April 2008, the Food and Farming minister in the UK, Lord Rooker, stated that Halal and kosher meat should be labelled when it is put on sale, so that the public can decide whether or not they want to buy food from animals that have bled to death. He was quoted as saying, "I object to the method of slaughter ... my choice as a customer is that I would want to buy meat that has been looked after and slaughtered in the most humane way possible.". The RSPCA supported Lord Rooker's views. [15]
For the Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations and the Humane Society International, "the animals that are slaughtered according to Kosher and Halal should be securely restrained, particularly the head and neck, before cutting the throat" as "movements (during slaughter) results in a poor cut, bad bleeding, slow loss of consciousness if at all and pain." [16]