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Old 4th January 2017, 03:59 AM
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While there are a couple of threads going in other parts of the forum that address similar issues, I though it would be best to post social views in this thread.

So rather than continue to respond to the thread in the "Life in Australia" forum, as this subject area is more grey, and perhaps more coloured by our personal opinions, I thought it might be more appropriate to discuss it here.

I'm going to respond indirectly to the comments about Muslims in Australia. Rather than address a particular post, I thought I'd state my opinion.

I see myself as a fairly enlightened Australian, not too much to the left or right politically, well-educated, well-travelled, and fairly mature.

The reality is that there definitely is racism and prejudice against some Muslims in Australia. There is other racism and prejudice against others too.

Anyone who has travelled much will know that this occurs in many parts of the world. One example that always makes me chuckle a bit is with the high volume of British people that live in France - a few of them bend the laws, don't seem to fit in, many don't learn French, some only use British tradespeople even in France, and some turn their noses up at French people. So sometimes the French get a bit annoyed by this, and some Brits have a bad name.

But of course, the majority of Brits are not like this - they do assimilate, learn French, and fit in. And very often, when they are chatting across the fence with their French neighbour, the neighbour will say, "Moan, moan, les Anglais are hopeless...but not you, of course, you're fine" And they really mean that truthfully. The issue is often that they know or just hear of a few bad cases, so those stick in their mind, but the people they actually meet are almost all "just like themselves"!

And so it is with any "different" group in Australia. It can be hard for Australians (or any nationality) that struggle, that may not have good incomes or education, to see others doing well. And when those others seem to be increasing in number and are sometimes quite noticeable, they may feel threatened.

So - my personal opinion. A few Moslems do themselves no favours, and actually make it harder for the rest. Face coverings are alien to most Australians - I can't wear my motorcycle helmet in a bank or a petrol station, so how is a burkha acceptable? As a nation, we want to see others' faces.

Then again, what on earth is the problem with wearing a hijab? Christians, including the Queen (of Australia!) sometimes wears a scarf, and she is the head of the Church of England? So what?!

The problem of "ghettos" is a real issue, if only for other people's perceptions. There are often areas in cities where groups from different countries all seem to live, While that may may sense for community support, local shopping etc, it doesn't help those people to be seen to be integrating into Australia.

When you have people coming here and demanding Sharia Law in Australia, I wonder, why did you come here - you knew what this place was like. If you see the success here, with our present culture, why do you want to change that culture? The truth is of course that almost everyone doesn't want to change Australian culture, they want to be part of it. But a noisy few are the ones that get seen. It hurts the view Australians have of Muslims when a few Muslim leaders won't loudly attack fundamentalism and attacks by extremists. It does the same when young Muslim men are apparently anti-Australian.

Now I'm no apologist for social problems, but I do think at least part of this issue is because we have people living in situations where there is no feeling of hope for them. We should be doing more to provide genuine work, real community support for them as Australians. And we should crack down where something is illegal or not acceptable.

We're SO not alone in all this. It's the same in pretty much every Western country. I do think we need to be clear that if migrants come here, keep your history, your culture, your traditions - it makes Australia strong. But don't try and change others or enforce your views on them - you don't have that right, and neither do they. You came here because you liked the concept of Australia, and its way of life. So do the people here already, and we don't want that changed.

Mostly, I see waves of migration over decades. Different groups and cultures. Once, there seemed to be a flood of Italians and Greeks. Then, a large number of Vietnamese. Each time, a flood of one sort of people, often into very localised places, can be difficult. And so it goes on. I don;t think there are many that wouldn't admit that migration from all of these different sources hasn't made Australia a richer, better place, or that it will continue to be that way! These are just my views, of course!

But the next generation of all of these people are just Australians. Just like your kids will be!

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I have no clue from where this topic of sharia law enforcement in Australia comes into discussion, who wants it and why, in my view its all about the very tiny minority taking over the silent majority of Muslims in the main stream media, reason being that tiny minority feeds the Media with the kind of negative news they want. those stupids and lunatics who talk about it doesn't even know what the heck are they saying and only exacerbates the situation for majority of the Muslims.

Then comes people who are ignorant towards Muslims and Islam, some times may be intentionally for some political gains..

There are 53 Muslim countries in the world with around 1.3 billion Muslims. Each country has its own social and cultural values which are mixed with the religion, for example a ban on women driving in Saudi Arabia has nothing to do with Islam, it is there cultural issue as millions of Muslim women are driving in other countries. but most of the non-Muslims confuse it being an issue with Islam same with so many other things which are influenced by the culture and society of that country.

For me if media ignore these bozos and leave them on there own they it would be better as this makes life miserable for other Muslims who never condone what they say and do, no one can be a representative of 1.3 billion Muslims with so man sects and sub sects having there own interpretations even of the same religion so what kind of sharia they want first they have to decide and tell others.
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In addition to what others have said, I think the big problem with prejudice anywhere is what I call the "last-in" phenomenon - people seem to hate the most recent group of people to migrate into the country. Back in the 1980s and 1990s, it was Asians. Now it's Muslims. Heck, even the inimitable Pauline Hanson herself changed her tune from saying "we are being swamped by Asians" to "we are being swamped by Muslims" - same rhetoric, different ethnic/religious group. Back in the 1940s and 1950s it was the Italians and Greeks but they are now seen to have fully assimilated and the term "wog" is seen less as a racial slur and more as a term of endearment almost.

Fundamentally, people need someone to hate when things aren't going well and Muslims are a convenient scapegoat at the moment in the western world. The thinking is "they hate us [because it's easy to generalise that all Muslims are terrorists based on the acts of a few extremists] so we in turn need to hate them".

Prejudice in Australia - and the rest of the world - is not going away anytime soon.

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..the big problem with prejudice anywhere is what I call the "last-in" phenomenon - people seem to hate the most recent group of people to migrate into the country
True dat! Wonderful insight.
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The thinking is "they hate us [because it's easy to generalise that all Muslims are terrorists based on the acts of a few extremists] so we in turn need to hate them".
From what I see, the thinking is. the Quran says anyone not believing in Allah is a Kafir (non-believer) and the book also says if you find a kafir, kill him. So, if you are a true moslem, you have to follow the Quran and do as it says - and hence kill all non believers.

Growing up in a predominantly muslim city in India and from what little religious studies I have done, I, know this not to be true and taken out of context. But no one can explain this to the suicidal teenagers being recruited by extremist groups - killing in the name of God. And hence earning a prejudice for the whole of the community.
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Growing up in a predominantly muslim city in India and from what little religious studies I have done, I, know this not to be true and taken out of context. .
I wonder in which context "Kill the unbeliever" receives another meaning than "kill the unbeliever".

Or this: "Indeed, those who disbelieve - never will their wealth or their children avail them against Allah at all. And it is they who are fuel for the Fire."

And if it the word (literally) of a perfect and all-knowing god, why did he create a book that causes so much confusion? And since he is all-knowing, he knew, that this book would cause so much misunderstanding. Why would he?
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I don't get why that the God need to tell people to believe in him or that he will be angry with them. If he is so pure and powerful and merciful and personification of innocence, why does he care if someone believes in him or not? Doesn't that make him human-like, full of base desires?
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From what I see, the thinking is. the Quran says anyone not believing in Allah is a Kafir (non-believer) and the book also says if you find a kafir, kill him. So, if you are a true moslem, you have to follow the Quran and do as it says - and hence kill all non believers.
Can you please provide a specific reference where it says in Quran? From what I know it absolutely negates killing anyone.. infact it goes to the extent that killing one innocent person is equivalent to killing entire humanity. One cannot even force any one to accept islam. The guidance comes from God. You can teach some one but you cannot force them to accept it even.

Where I live, we have so many non-Muslims and each of us practice our own religions. We are friends with them and share a very amicable relationship. We eat food together, we play together, our kids study in same schools, etc. There is not even an iota of negativity in our relationships.

I don't want to start a religious debate here however one should not misquote things from the holy book as it unnecessarily promotes hatred. Islam is a the most peaceful religion if you really understand it. Don't judge it by the actions of a few. Miscreants are there all over and one should not blame the religion for that.

Hope this helps in clearing any doubts you have.

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Can you please provide a specific reference where it says in Quran?
See above. There are already two of those. I can provide you with more references if you like.

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I don't want to start a religious debate here however one should not misquote things from the holy book as it unnecessarily promotes hatred. Islam is a the most peaceful religion if you really understand it.
I guess I donīt need to comment this any further. Speaks for itself.


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See above. There are already two of those. I can provide you with more references if you like.



I guess I donīt need to comment this any further. Speaks for itself.
these are not references unfortunately.. these are just extracts from somewhere, it could be from anywhere.. made up even not necessarily by you but from whoever you heard it from or from whoever they heard it from.. References would point to where exactly its mentioned in the book like verse/chapter. Have you ever checked it at the source?

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