Here is a conversation I had with the Program manager for the Vice Mayor of Quezon City
on Skype a couple of days ago.....kinda shows you their thinking and how out of touch they are.
HB 2387
http://www.philstar.com/cebu-news/2014/11/08/1389400/more-requirements-foreigners-marry-filipinas
Cris: Hi, I've seen it already, for me it's ok, it's for the protection of Filipino women, and besides if the foreign guy is in good faith I don't see any problem, with asking for a certification of being a good residence of his country, besides the house bill only want to protect the welfare of Filipino women..
Cris: I will share one story to you actually this is true to life , I mean it's rely happened here in Quezon City
Cris: A women ask for assistance here in our office
Lee : what you dont realize is that most embassys american and british, do not keep up with their people like that..there is no paper that says your a citizan in good standing, it does not exist
Cris: At least they have to show some documents on how they leave in their country , like a certification from their work, or papers that shows that they are legal citizen of what country they represents
Cris: You know that bill only want to protect the Filipina women
Lee: thats what a passport is for, proves your a citizen, in the US we dont have papers that show where we work, or if we pay our bills...
Cris: You know sometimes Filipina is very gullible ,
Lee: what makes me mad, is if you want to protect Filipina women, protect them from the Filipino men who make them pregnant and just leave to go to another woman and then do it time and time again
Crist: Especially to the foreigner guy
Cris: Well, that's what you call choices
Lee : so thats ok, then, all the kids with no fathers
Lee : but its not ok for a filipina to marry a forgn that will give them a good life
Cris: Not all my friend
Cris: For you maybe yes, your motives is clean
Cris: But it doesn't mean that all foreigners has a good heart and good intention just like you
Cris: Being foreigners not an excuse that your cannot give harm to our Filipino women
Cris: That's what the bill wanted to do
Lee: i agree with that, but for me, and for most I know, all we do is help...it seems like most here that pass laws think all forgn are bad guys
Cris: There's a saying, PREVENTION is better THAN CURE
Cris: No, that's not true
Lee : Then for Gods sake, prevent the Filipino men from abandoning their kids that they made and just leave, no money no support....then you will have protected Filipina women
Lee : you come here and i can show you ten women with several kids that get no support at all
Cris: No need dear, only here we have so many of that
Cris: But my point is. This is my personal opinion.. We have so many cases like abandonment ,
Cris: Financial support
Lee : In the US, if you father a child and do not pay child support..the law will hunt you down and put you in jail...
Cris: We have also that here in the Philippines,
Cris: Are we in the same boat? I mean pls. Specify what kind of case we are going to argue, coz we have kids with out father by choice of their mothers. There are unwed mothers because of some circumstances , which one? Coz in every situation there's different solution and arguments
Crist: Give me an example of what do you want to point out
Cris: I can give you my side of opinion
Lee : I know a girl her, had a husband, live in, has three kids, one day the father just left...found another girl, gives the girl with the three kids 0 support..when the girl ask him or some help, he replied, have another family now..dont have the funds
Cris: See, they only live -in , no marriage license ,first she must insist that they must be married before they have 3 kids, so it means that's a choice of a woman, government has nothing to do with that , no one tell her to have 3 kids out of wedlock , then after her live in partner left her, she will curse the government for what she's going trough ? How the government help her? You know the law, you must show documents and papers if you want to file the case against to someone
Cris: but if that lady is married to her husband for sure
Cris: She will see what the law can do to help her to put her husband in jail
Cris: If he refused to support the children
Lee : The trouble as I see it is that most of the poor here, do not get married, its hard to have the funds if your a pedicab driver making only enough to buy rice..
Lee: and if you do get married, there is no divorce so if you leave then you are subject to jail anyway
Cris: See
Cris: It means
Cris: We can put I to the jail
Cris: All that no balls men
Lee : If there was a divorce law, when the divorce was granted, then at that time the law could ensure the support of the kids...
Cris: After they get what they want to the girls they just trush
Cris: Dear, we have a law for the legal family, like family code, a law 9262 , Violence againts women's and their children
Cris: Even in illegitimate child we have also law for them
Cris: The thing is, those incidents of having kids with out fathers is not a fault from the government, like I said
Cris: EVERYONE has a CHOICE
Cris: And so happen that FILIPINA women are sooo GULLIBLE..that's what the HB all about. Protection for a gullible. Women
Cris: I'm about to leave in the office now