Expats in New Zealand very happy with their new life, survey shows

[carosapien]

It's not a survey of expats, it is a survey of migrants.

I'm sure the Labour and Immigration Research Centre didn't exclude people from a study to understand migrant settlement and labour market outcomes just because they are no longer "expats".

When I read the report it seems that the 80% satisfaction rate is only among recent migrants but I couldn't see a definition of "recent migrants".

Perhaps it would have been more useful to have worked out the satisfaction rate of all 8,000+ migrants in the sample group, not just the recent arrivals. Or were all 8,000+ considered to be recent migrants? it's not clear.

[xabiachica]

Originally Posted by carosapien

It's not a survey of expats, it is a survey of migrants.

I'm sure the Labour and Immigration Research Centre didn't exclude people from a study to understand migrant settlement and labour market outcomes just because they are no longer "expats".

When I read the report it seems that the 80% satisfaction rate is only among recent migrants but I couldn't see a definition of "recent migrants".

Perhaps it would have been more useful to have worked out the satisfaction rate of all 8,000+ migrants in the sample group, not just the recent arrivals.

that's just semantics

my brother is a migrant to Australia - but he's an Australian citizen & unless you specifically asked him where he was born or at what age he arrived in Australia then he would answer any survey that he is 'Australian' - as far as he is concerned he isn't a migrant any more

since we don't know precisely what questions were asked, your scenario of them all leaving for Aus after 5 years is no more nor less likely than mine, of them now being citizens & not considering themselves to be anything other than that, when asked

also - over 5 years is hardly 'recent' is it?

[toadsurfer]

The survey only considered recent migrants meaning people who had had a pr issued within 12 mths before the survey or a work visa within 6 mths which is why it had so few long term people included. It was a survey of new migrants' impression of nz and doesn't appear to be intended to be a long term look at migrants.
I really don't think the Australia thing is much of an issue or really means very much. It's a nearby bigger economy, it will always attract a few migrants away in a similar way as the uk attracted so many Aussies when it was enjoying boomtime. I still think the overwhelming reason migrants go home will be missing family and friends and no country can make up for that.

[topcat83]

Originally Posted by toadsurfer

....I still think the overwhelming reason migrants go home will be missing family and friends and no country can make up for that.

I agree with that. Which is why it's so important for people to try and find a social network as soon as they arrive. We were lucky as we had an uncle and cousins here, but many don't.

I joined a book club on our peninsula that was mainly new immigrant mums with school-aged children. They formed their own help-group in effect, with people you could call on for advice and in an emergency, older (over 14 yrs) children baby-sitting other people's younger ones, and just generally a friendly face. I think it says a lot that out of our original group of 20, five years on not one has gone back to their home country for good. A couple have made the move to Oz because of their husband's job, but still keep in contact too.

And over five years on we still meet up once a month at 'the wine club with a book problem' (that's what the husbands call it!)

[inhamilton]

I remember reading something in the paper about Brit Expats in NZ and the number that stay on that appears to contradict the theory that many leave for Oz once they gain citizenship. I looked it up on google and found this :

[deleted as the posts are from another forum]

[carosapien]

Originally Posted by inhamilton

I remember reading something in the paper about Brit Expats in NZ and the number that stay on that appears to contradict the theory that many leave for Oz once they gain citizenship. I looked it up on google and found this :

[deleted as the posts are from another forum]

Clever way to direct people towards a rival forum inhamilton. I was given an infraction for doing that.

Isn't it still against forum rules?

[inhamilton]

Originally Posted by carosapien

Clever way to direct people towards a rival forum inhamilton. I was given an infraction for doing that.

Isn't it still against forum rules?

Good grief. I had no intention of directing anyone anywhere. It was a simple cut and paste from a google search without any mention of a website. Mods are welcome to delete it if it was a breach of rules. I sure wouldn't have posted it if I thought anyone would be upset by it, or if I thought it had breached a rule. You do sound as though you have a bee in your bonnet. You should get an immigration reporter or someone to look into your concern about these surveys. There's nothing they like better than exposing this kind of stuff if it is incorrect.
Now I'm going to hang the washing out and sit out on the back deck and read the paper.

[carosapien]

Originally Posted by inhamilton

Good grief. I had no intention of directing anyone anywhere. It was a simple cut and paste from a google search without any mention of a website. Mods are welcome to delete it if it was a breach of rules. I sure wouldn't have posted it if I thought anyone would be upset by it, or if I thought it had breached a rule. You do sound as though you have a bee in your bonnet. You should get an immigration reporter or someone to look into your concern about these surveys. There's nothing they like better than exposing this kind of stuff if it is incorrect.
Now I'm going to hang the washing out and sit out on the back deck and read the paper.

I'm sure you didn't and I didn't have any intention of breaking the rules either but rules are rules and they are there for good reason.

My google search suggestion (it wasn't even a direct cut and paste from another forum like yours was) was replaced with a link to an official government web page about pensions.

Paying tax on overseas income

I'm not sure there's any exposing to be done, that's a bit extreme. Just trying to make sense of some of the reports that are published and look at the sense of them.

[topcat83]

Actually, carosapien, the huge difference is that you intended to direct people to another forum where inhamilton did it by accident.

So - you're right - we don't allow people to direct others to other forums (and I will change the posts now you have so rightly pointed out that they do) but I will not be infracting inhamilton for his mistake.

I'd also like to point out that it's up to the moderators to decide whether a rule has been broken intentionally and therefore deserves an infraction, or accidentally in which case a warning is more suitable.

[inhamilton]

Originally Posted by topcat83

So - you're right - we don't allow people to direct others to other forums (and I will change the posts now you have so rightly pointed out that they do) but I will not be infracting inhamilton for his mistake.

Great stuff. Thanks TC.