NZ immigration fooling people?

[ozmigration]

Well,

Looking at numbers and refusals, i m sure NZ immigration is making money at expense of others.

First, looking at current pool picks, it clearly shows they keen to invite onshore applicants, even if we agree to the point. the logic is simple, don't ask/accept applications without Job offer.

Everyone crosses 140 and applies for Visa, and then after long wait comes refusal, WHY TO MAKE MONEY LIKE THIS, and that 2 from so many people. what u call it.

If my knowledge or research is limited, you are free to respond and correct me.

Take Care

[topcat83]

Originally Posted by ozmigration

Well,

Looking at numbers and refusals, i m sure NZ immigration is making money at expense of others.

First, looking at current pool picks, it clearly shows they keen to invite onshore applicants, even if we agree to the point. the logic is simple, don't ask/accept applications without Job offer.

Everyone crosses 140 and applies for Visa, and then after long wait comes refusal, WHY TO MAKE MONEY LIKE THIS, and that 2 from so many people. what u call it.

If my knowledge or research is limited, you are free to respond and correct me.

Take Care

I'm afraid that it was made very clear quite a few months ago by NZ Immigration that they were going to only offer most visas subject to a job offer, or subject to receiving a job offer within a certain time of arriving. And it doesn't matter how many points you have - them were the rules they set.

See the cut'n'paste from the NZ Immigration website (How do I apply?)

'Our decision on your application

There are three possible outcomes:

• We grant you residence.
• We defer your application and offer you a temporary work visa so you can work while you get a skilled job offer. If you get skilled work, we will approve your residence application.
• We decline your application.'

They also review your application to make sure you can prove the points that you are claiming.
Obviously I don't know the details of your situation.
But there is never a guarantee of an immediate offer of permanent residency - regardless of the number of points you have.

[Weta]

Originally Posted by ozmigration

If my knowledge or research is limited, you are free to respond and correct me.

Take Care

I agree with you, it is a fair observation. If people really do not stand any chance of being picked at anything less than 140 points, then they are just cashing in on all those that don't have a hope. They shouldn't bother accepting the lower points applications.

[MrsRose]

NZ immigration has been pretty straight forward in our case. Information about qualifications and likelihood of being selected was made very clear to us. There are no guarantees for anyone with less than 140 points, and currently, having a job offer is pretty important for being selected.

My husband and I have submitted an initial assessment with an immigration consultant (it's basically a practice EOI.) If we were to submit an EOI right now, we'd have over 100 points, but not 140. With a job offer, we'd have well over 140 points. So when the time comes, we'll look for work and hopefully secure a job offer BEFORE submitting our EOI.

[carosapien]

How many employers bother to hang around waiting for PR to be granted after the EOI has been submitted?

[escapedtonz]

Originally Posted by carosapien

How many employers bother to hang around waiting for PR to be granted after the EOI has been submitted?

In my experience no employer interested until I had PR and the flights booked, however saying that my new colleagues from other corners of the globe secured their equivalent job even before approaching Immigration NZ so maybe I was just looking for work with the wrong companies initially. Maybe if I had applied to the company I work for now I would have secured the job before PR and they could have put pressure on Immigration NZ to get me here sooner or at least assisted with the process - I will never know!!!

[escapedtonz]

Originally Posted by MrsRose

NZ immigration has been pretty straight forward in our case. Information about qualifications and likelihood of being selected was made very clear to us. There are no guarantees for anyone with less than 140 points, and currently, having a job offer is pretty important for being selected.

My husband and I have submitted an initial assessment with an immigration consultant (it's basically a practice EOI.) If we were to submit an EOI right now, we'd have over 100 points, but not 140. With a job offer, we'd have well over 140 points. So when the time comes, we'll look for work and hopefully secure a job offer BEFORE submitting our EOI.

Good luck in the hunt.
Sure you know it won't be an easy task securing a job even before submitting EOI.
In our experience employers want to see some sort of commitment to getting here before consideration and make sure you do lots of research as they ask you the darnedest questions to figure out the chances of you staying after arrival. They want to make sure you know everything about life here and there won't be any surprises that will make you leave resulting in their investment loss and the fact they will need to fill the post again.
Of course it all depends on the line of work your in to and the type of management structure etc etc of a potential employer - ie a big company is in to all the behavioural competency blarney and performance rubbish and to me so difficult to sell yourself from thousands of miles away on stuff you know nothing about.
On the other hand someone who's a worker with his own business just wants someone who can do the job, be reliable and will make him money.
It's all swings and roundabouts I suppose.
Wish you lots of luck.
:-)

[MrsRose]

Yeah, we totally understand all the points raised in this thread. I'm told that having an immigration agent (and the financial commitment that comes with that) is a plus for employers. Part of our agents job will be to serve as a kind of mediator between is and employers, to ensure them of our commitment to making our move to NZ permanent and successful.

[carosapien]

LOL! Who told you it was a plus for employers? not the immigration agent I suppose

To be honest with you I don't think employers care either way, all they want to know is do you have your visa yet and how little can they get away with paying you. Using an agent may even be counterproductive: it makes you look like you can't handle the paperwork yourself or yours is a difficult case for some reason and you've got heaps of cash to throw at the problem.

We got in under 140 and without jobs, Carole was the Applicant an experienced PE Teacher but as
said no job offer.

Carole applied for loads of NZ jobs whilst in the UK but never a hint of an offer. So it would seem
that you are better being here hunting jobs, ( I know you have to be accepted) two weeks in and
Carole gets a part-time PE job, better than nothing.

I'm seeing what's out there for me at the moment.

Best of luck to all who are trying to join us here it's great. ( toms and mushrooms pricey though)

Shane