Mexico Security Update

[conklinwh]

SWAGs' are more fun than waiting for facts and then debating veracity of facts.

[conorkilleen]

Originally Posted by pappabee

Hold it everyone, as of this moment we don't know if it was police or not. We only know that they all were dressed in uniforms. They all could have been non-police. I agree that we should wait and get all the facts before some people start yelling CRIME, MURDER, DRUGS OR WHAT EVER ELSE THEY WANT TO FIT IN.

Yeah, maybe I was getting a little ahead of myself, however a MURDER did happen and in Mexicos most frequented public place, no less.

I've seen Mexican Movie stars, US celebs, whole soccer teams, and lots of political figures in that Terminal (2).

I'll be taking my family through there in a few weeks. Stray bullets are stray bullets. Cop or no cop there was still a firearm discharged and people killed in Mexicos most high traffic location.

[tepetapan]

Originally Posted by conklinwh

SWAGs' are more fun than waiting for facts and then debating veracity of facts.

Mexico City • The federal Public Security Secretariat confirmed that federal agents gunned down this morning at the Mexico City International Airport were conducting an investigation for drug trafficking at the airport.

In a statement, also released that already are three federal agents who died, because the element was taken to a hospital killed

Although the press release makes no reference to the identity of the alleged killers of the agents, Federal Police authorities confirmed to MILLENNIUM victims went to the Airport Terminal 2 to stop alleged collusion with a corrupt federal drug ring operating at the airport.

However, according to preliminary investigations, the alleged drug-related police realized they were investigated and fired the elements of the federal police to avoid arrest.

"This morning, members of the Federal Police who conducted research moved for ensuring alleged perpetrators linked to drug trafficking offense, in Terminal 2 International Airport in Mexico City, when surrounded by the Federal police, shots were fired with a firearm against the federal agents, "the newsletter of the SSP.

He added that in 2011 the Federal Police said 90 kilograms of cocaine at the international airport of Mexico City and in 2012 more than 200 kilograms of the drug.
First off, reading news reports from Mexico is fast AND easy
Second is, OK OK forums love rumor and opinoin, so be it.
Third is what the heck is SWAG? In my humble opinoin it is more cool than necessary.

[conorkilleen]

The Universal is reporting they were all police officers and they were trying to detain drug traffickers...whom just so happened to be police as well. That is why they had guns inside the terminal. I think I'll wait to see what other news agency bites on that story. seems fishy

[edgeee]

Originally Posted by tepetapan

Mexico City • T

First off, reading news reports from Mexico is fast AND easy
Second is, OK OK forums love rumor and opinoin, so be it.
Third is what the heck is SWAG? In my humble opinoin it is more cool than necessary.

in this context, i think it means 'scientific wild ass guess'.

[pappabee]

Originally Posted by tepetapan

Mexico City • The federal Public Security Secretariat confirmed that federal agents gunned down this morning at the Mexico City International Airport were conducting an investigation for drug trafficking at the airport.

In a statement, also released that already are three federal agents who died, because the element was taken to a hospital killed

Although the press release makes no reference to the identity of the alleged killers of the agents, Federal Police authorities confirmed to MILLENNIUM victims went to the Airport Terminal 2 to stop alleged collusion with a corrupt federal drug ring operating at the airport.

However, according to preliminary investigations, the alleged drug-related police realized they were investigated and fired the elements of the federal police to avoid arrest.

"This morning, members of the Federal Police who conducted research moved for ensuring alleged perpetrators linked to drug trafficking offense, in Terminal 2 International Airport in Mexico City, when surrounded by the Federal police, shots were fired with a firearm against the federal agents, "the newsletter of the SSP.

He added that in 2011 the Federal Police said 90 kilograms of cocaine at the international airport of Mexico City and in 2012 more than 200 kilograms of the drug.
First off, reading news reports from Mexico is fast AND easy
Second is, OK OK forums love rumor and opinoin, so be it.
Third is what the heck is SWAG? In my humble opinoin it is more cool than necessary.

I still think that we need to give it a few days before we really know what happened. Just remember the report about El Chapo Jr.

FYI The Guadalajara Reporter web site has moved here is the new site:
Guadalajara Reporter

[mickisue1]

Is there anything new in the information about the shooting yesterday?

[conorkilleen]

Originally Posted by mickisue1

Is there anything new in the information about the shooting yesterday?

I have just heard different variations of yesterdays.

[FHBOY]

US papers report it was drug related - the cops were shot at after the drug guys found out who they were and that they were going to be apprehended. The druggies got away by running through the parking lot. Check CNN.com or AP or the Times.

EDITORIAL OPINION:
So...unlike random violence we've been discussing, if the reports are true, it is a continuation of the drug wars in Mexico. It does not make it less severe, but in my mind - what ever is left of it - it still does not seem as bad as the random street crime in my city, all over the city, in residential neighborhoods, etc. Now you can say a lot of our crime problem here is caused by drugs, and you'd probably be correct, but not entirely. But how would you explain an off-duty suburban cop killing a 17 year old suburban high school student in the suburbs because the kid was involved with a bunch of others who threw a rock at the guy's house? Es verdad - kid was buried on Saturday.

Yes, this is the insanity we live with...sadly it makes the type of crime we read about in Mexico sound "sane"? Sound "purposeful"? Isn't that perverse?

[edgeee]

disclaimer: This is all only my opinions and i own no property, so sue me at your own risk.
(this should make repeating "i think" unnecessary, but it doesn't seem to work.)

FHBOY, perverse is the password to the future, the one you and i don't want to be in.
(every generation rebels, and it always scares the sh!t out of their elders.)

insanity is what i see everywhere i look, even in my mirror. i've done lot's of things i'm not proud of.
(as A.E. defined it, we all have it.)

but 'purposeful', that's different. whether you meant to or not, you have pinpointed the pulse of the problem.
IMO everyone on both sides of violence have very concrete reasons - a purpose - to pursue.
victims want safety, and those not yet afflicted want to be free from their fear.

the perps, they have whatever mania drives them. what they believe in, and how much they care. just like us.
to deny this merely clouds one's vision of reality.
we often make the mistake of expecting others to think the way we do. they don't.
but their thinking process follows the same signs. they decide what they want and they go for it.
this is where morality and such enter, but that's off topic.

regarding the horrific events scattered around Mexico, and the USA, we tend to somehow view the two as seperate things.
they are more than that, but that too is a different story.

what seperates them is the purpose behind the motivation. when you pin down the purpose, you make a quantam leap.
in the US, there is a new conception. what everyone calls random violence, to me is more like 'fighting back'.
in America, huge masses of humanity are bunched together under intolerable conditions.
(more like third-world nations than you would like to know. not you personally, the public 'you')

(ed note: as i proofread this, i can see how many Mx. natives would say, "yes but we have that too.
(OK, sí, pero tenemos que también, if google is any good.
and i want it on the record, Magnificent Seven is a movie i can't get enough of.)

they see injustice and violence as part of everyday life. they hate it, but they learn it from day one.
to stretch a point, the problem becomes the solution; fight fire with fire, so to speak.
in such an environment, any individual has to adapt and adopt the common customs. survival demands it.
and with it comes crime. with crime comes incarceration, also known as the 'school for criminals'.
but mentioning the prison system means discussing punishment v. rehabiltation, and i don't want to do that here.

to me, that purpose thing means i can target my own choices accordingly.

do i want to live where crime is stupidly driven toward feeding on itself and growing by leaps and bounds?
not really, but what are my options?

well i could try to get a job as a prison guard, but that's more like the military than i want to go.
(and it's not an option anyway. very few things are.)

do i want to live where crime is largely composed of some inner struggle between good and evil?
(as if there was such a thing.) by this i mean what i see as the Mx. people v. the cartels.
and there is always the issue of how close it is to home.
well maybe, if i can be on the right side. (there you go again, being picky.)

but i do like the idea that in Mexico there semms to be a common enemy.
the drug cartels, which have long had too much influence in running the country.
they own polticians, always have, always will.

in America we have the politicians, who have too much influence in running the country.
they are owned by drug cartels, also known as pharmecuticals, not to mention oil/gas, MIC, banks,
insurance companys and billionaires in general.

in America, i can get guns, if i want. i am pretty good with them, but i don't like them around me.
like cars and trucks, they are too often operated by those who don't understand how deadly they are.

in Mexico i can't legally own a gun, and that's fine. i feel better knowing that also applies to my neighbors.
but i feel even better when i understand that most of them do have at least one gun,
because i understand why they have it, and so do they.

so, security is where you find it, hiding in a ditch, or sleeping in the barraks.
but to me there is a link most people miss.
it's not about the 'where', except as how it relates to the 'what'.

how i feel about 'where' i am allows me to dial up or down on the vigilance/anxiety scale.
'what' is my level of confidence and contentment, that comes from my surroundings?
well, it's everything.

if that's too confusing - and i can see that it is confusing - look at it this way.
i trust the neighbors i don't yet have in Mexico more than i trust the neighbors i have now.