Originally Posted by Pesky Wesky

People who have been on the forum will know of my interest in this area. I have posted quite a few times on the subject of unconventional medicines and medicine as it's practised in our present health system (Spanish I mean, more than in the UK). I enjoy discussing this kind of thing. However, this thread just never really got off the ground for me...

Never mind. There will doubtless be many more opportunities!!

PS Page 11 is still a mystery to me

Originally Posted by jojo

aaawwww - try this????? alternative medicine

Jo xxx

Originally Posted by baldilocks

I've been elsewhere all morning and had to read umpteen messages full of boring claptrap.

This thread is going absolutely nowhere. Sensible discussion is no longer present. There is even one poster who is starting the "Nobody loves mE, everybody hates me..." bit and I'm just waiting for the "going down the garden to eat worms"

Mods, please close this thread and if anyone wants to discus, sensibly, the merits or otherwise of alternative therapies, can we have a new thread.

Originally Posted by Solwriter

jojuanita,
Looking back over this thread, I do believe it was something I said which sparked your reply referring to bitter people, and which appears to have, in some cases, taken the thread in ways you and others did not wish it to go.

So I'll try to clarify....
When I talked about backing away from New Age philosophies (or something similar...cant be bothered to look...) because they came across to me as too 'touchy feely', it was a personal statement, based upon personal feelings, which in no way makes me bitter and twisted - just different to you.
I went to college in the mid 70's, where the influence of 'peace and love' from the 60's had left its mark.

In some seminars we could not even begin the discussion before we had to have a group hug!
Most of us went along with this, but few liked it. When discussing after class, most of us agreed that the whole exercise was pointless as well as embarrassing. There were some people we liked and some we didn't. A group hug wouldn't change that. It also failed to make the overall dynamic of the group more peaceful and regarding for others opinions. We were students for heavens sake. Most of us wanted to get our point across.
This did not make us bad or bitter people. Just people who look at the world in all sorts of different ways.

You will see I am in two (if not several!) minds about this debate and Ill tell you a couple of reasons why.

First (and I really don't want to open up another can or worms here...), a few years ago, I trained as a healer (you will see one of my reasons for doing this in my next point). (and incidentally, this did mean I had to be a little 'touchy feely' - but in particular circumstances ).
I have to say that sometimes the healing worked and sometimes it didn't, or at least it didn't work in an expected way. It not only depended on the attitude of the person being treated, but also on their illness and related issues.
And as you probably know, healing in this case is about helping the whole body to recovery, not just the part the patient wants treated.
As a mainly rational person, to this day I am in two minds about the whole thing and always will be.

Second, I have personal experience of someone very close to me who developed cancer and (knock on wood) has now been cured.

We have suspicions that his cancer, or at least the circumstances leading up to him developing this disease, may have been caused by the food he was eating and the stress he was under at that time.
We have found correlations with this incidentally, but I wont go into details as they are personal and, like so many things in this debate, are unproven.

However, the cure - a very strong regime of chemotherapy, supported by steroids - did work. And there is no way it would have been refused.

Now, you could argue that the pharmaceutical companies offering the treatment drugs benefited as a direct result of the person in question eating and drinking products filled with nasties, and previously maintaining an unhealthy lifestyle. But this cannot be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt.
Personally, in this case I don't care whether this is true or not. I was just thankful that the drugs worked!

Originally Posted by Pesky Wesky

No, no good. It goes to page 10 or page 12. Never mind, I expect I'll survive without page 11, but it's just strange

Originally Posted by jojuanita

Yes but sol, when most folk start getting the threatened .. Chemo surgery etc.. They are advised to change their diet and most do at this point, how can we ever know its the change of diet that keeps the cancer away.. The important thing to point out here... Is .... Not what got rid of it but what caused it? Do you think? X

Originally Posted by nola

So are you saying that I'm misguided, fanatic, or need psychological help?

Originally Posted by jojo

I dont know for sure, but I would suspect not since its not the norm to drink tap water - well us "foreigners" dont as a rule. We either buy the bottled stuff or have filters installed - I filter in the UK for that very reason!

Jo xxx

Originally Posted by snikpoh

I think you'll find that a lot of us 'foreigners' do drink the tap water - and damn good stuff it is too. Are you sure that the majority don't?

It may, of course, depend where you live and whether in the campo or town.

Originally Posted by snikpoh

I think you'll find that a lot of us 'foreigners' do drink the tap water - and damn good stuff it is too. Are you sure that the majority don't?

It may, of course, depend where you live and whether in the campo or town.