Wanna-B-Expat,
I was born and bred in manchester,nobody forced me to move away to different area/ country,i decided to move to Turkey. it was my decision and mine alone,

My biggest problem with certain groups of british citizens that have re located here, is there seemingly unwillingless to integrate into Turkish culture. The older generation (50+) - I think the majority of them can't string together a sentence in Turkish,

Sounds familar,

you say and i qoute,

I find that a real shame,that certain documenatarys show muslims in this way,it is so sad,

Wanna-B-Expat,
Move to TURKEY,integrate with the locals, the culture, the language,
I am sure your views will change,

Do you have a problem?From one mancuian to another.Sorry i cant answer that,

Good luck,wherever you decide to live,

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Yes. You are. Humans tend to like the status quo, and look on anything that changes as bad. If someone doesn't conform to what we think they should be, we blame them, somehow.

Before the Asian Muslims, it was the Indians, and the West Indians. Before that it was the Irish. The same pattern happens in the US, with each new wave of immigrants being blamed for whatever the ills of the country are.

The Italians in the US were accused of refusing to become Americans, because the women who immigrated never learned English, they shopped only at the local Italian grocery, and raised their kids with old-world rules. And they were actually very similar culturally to the people they were joining.

A new group will come along in twenty or thirty years.

I personally think we have reached the point of no return. It does not take a professor of math to explain that we will eventually become a minority sooner or later. So what do we do? Do we take to the streets in protest or do we roll over and conceive the inevitable?

When you have foreigners proactively insulting our religions and cultures, abusing our welfare systems, demanding things like their own parliaments and policing, threatening the safety of our women and children then it's time to take stock of the situation.

For instance.... 20 odd years ago my primary school which was called Gateway School in Westminster could boast of having around 5%-8% of ethnic students. The same school now is around 95% ethnic of which I would hazard a guess that 85% of that being of Asian origin. Is this a good thing, how did this happen, why should I not voice an opinion of disgust over it?

Another gripe is... Statistics now tell me that there are more foreigners in our prisons and detention centers than there are English or even British. Does this not warrant investigation to how we have allowed this to happen? Further more, who in there right mind would allow these people to remain here after committing such crimes as rape,murder,robbery,drug offences etc etc... My grandparents gave their lives fighting for freedom and the British way of life..... Not so we could become a multi cultural society hell bent on destroying the very things that made this country great in the first place.

10 years ago I would have laughed at the very inclination of being a racist, unfortunately now I have to concede the fact that I my opinions are becoming more and more racist by the day..Which honestly does not sit well with me!!

Any ideas on how we rectify things?

Sometimes I have to remind myself that many of the things that are so dramatic now will be blips on the radar screen when historians study them in one hundred years. The big upheavals caused by the huge number of Irish people coming in to the US, and their demonstrations against the Civil War because they feared that freed slaves would work for lower wages, and they were just barely surviving. It seems sort of strange now, the idea of Irish ethnic demonstrations and riots in America.

Hi Sling,

Not really sure what your point is? Are you implying that we should not be bothered as in 100 years or so the situation will be simply trivial?
If so then let me put you straight! If by some miraculous stroke of luck we have not already been wiped off the face of the Earth by some disaster or other, I would like to see my children's children enjoy some of the experiences I myself enjoyed as a child. Such thing like Xmas, Easter, Silver jubilees, being English and being bloody proud of it!

At the rate of knots this country is traveling at to destroy its own identity,
I would guess 30 years will be sufficient before you are seeing such things like the abolishment of the St Gorges Cross, The removal of the Royal Family,
The election of an Asian Priminister and so on and so on!!!

Now... one might say this is paranoia and over exaggeration, others might say "well would it be such a bad thing if the above happened?"
Well let me tell you... 1/ it's not paranoia or over exaggeration, it will happen!
And 2/ It is a bad thing, in fact it's a F*****g monstrosity of a bad thing!

Embracing cultures who have no intentions of embracing you, who would turn on you like a pack of parasitic dogs given half the chance, is probably not the cleverest of ideas. Giving Sandal waiving, screaming lunatics any kind political stage to attack us from is also not the brightest of ideas. But pissing off to Spain and burying my head in the sound and letting them get on with it is probably the most stupidest idea of bleeding all!

Spot on sir. That is the most scary thing. People talk about "white flight". This is not white flight - this is cultural protection. British culture? It's already bloody lost. You can't say that term without thinking Asian, Chinese, African etc etc.

Why is it that the Americans seem to hold on to their identity and culture? You say American culture to me and I don't think of immigrants??? They must be doing something right.

Ricardo Blue - you should be in politics...

The reason being is... Immigrants looking to reside in the USA have to pledge allegiance to the stars and stripes. That's why when you see such things as sporting events over there the immigrants or should I say American citizens seem to be more enthusiastic about supporting the adopted country then the ones who take up citizenship here! "USA USA" you can hear them scream "god bless America" they cry. And that's without such things as state benefits, health care, luxury housing, business grants etc etc...

That's what should happen over here, you should have to earn the right to be a British Citizen not take it as a natural entitlement. We should also adopt a one strike and you're out rule.... eg; F**k up and you're gone! No second chances!!! If you want to rob someone then you're on the first plane back from where you come from. None of this imprisoning them at the tax payer's expense only to let them out with a pocket full of money and a rap on the knuckles!!!

The system also has to be put under the spotlight here. There is no effort to integrate two communities with varied views on varied topics. What is important for one group is unimportant for the other. Don't forget lots of people are economic immigrants and cannot be blamed for moving to a place of greater economic power.

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Absolutely Pete... If the boot was on the other foot I too would try to get into this country or any other country that could provide me a better standard of life for both my family and myself..... But this is not my argument!!

My argument is this... If you were to invite me into your house for dinner out of the kindness of your heart, would you take kindly to me suggesting or even demanding you changed your decor or re-arranged your furniture to suit my tastes??? Would you bugger!!! You would tell me if I did not like it I should leave, or alternatively throw me out by the scruff of the neck and spend the next 2 months living of the unbelievable story down the pub.

It's a simple case of respect dont you think???

Take ex-pats for instance.. One could argue that we do much the same by creating British communities abroad and not integrating with the locals as much as we could or should. I realise this but also realise that most ex-pats are financially self-sufficient when they decide to leave these shores and set up shop elsewhere. I can't actually remember a time where I have been abroad and seen Brits begging in the streets (apart from the dreaded timeshare folk) I have already seen half a dozen foreign beggars on my way to work this morning (some who were quite intimidating).

In a nut shell..... England has had a lot to answer for over the course of History. But answer it I feel we have! How long does guilt last? Is it to be passed on from generation to generation? When do you say "right that's it, that was then.... and this is now".

Yet I am still forced into over the top self censorship through fears of upsetting any Tom Dick or Harry. I am then labeled as a racist due to my Patriotism and general love for my country, it's history and values, whilst others are permitted to openly express their views, encouraged to promote their faiths (however whacky and dangerous they may be) and in more cases than not financially supported to do so!!

If by believing a native of a country deserves preferential treatment over an immigrant makes me a racist......... Then Racist I am!!! (fascist I'm NOT)

Ricardo,
(Disclosure: I am a British Asian).
You know what, I don't think you are a racist. What you might find even more surprising is that I and many of my more liberal friends and family would totally agree with your analogy.

Just to confirm my views on your alleged racism, may i ask your views on the following groups of immigrants;

1. Jamaican Nurses who helped build the NHS
2. Asian Business People who started out on corner shops and now contribute vast amounts of money to society

There are a lot more examples of immigrants having a positive impact on society and I think these people - who are the majority - should not be overlooked in this type of debate.

Thanks