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I'm living in Brazil, but I can't handle living here any longer. At the moment I'm moving to Germany, but I don't want to live there out of respect for my grandfather, who had to move by himself to US in a hurry when he was 9 because of the war, his entire family died, the men fighting for Germany and the women in a bombing.

I'm looking for a country where people respect each other, some things that are habitual here in Brazil drive me nuts, the majority of people here have no respect at all, and I do not identify myself with the culture. I believe that "my right to swing my fist ends just where the other's nose begins", and I would like to live where people think the same.

I have absolutely no friend here, and my husband was killed because of a stupid traffic fight, our car crashed into another coming in the wrong hand and the driver just shoot him. He paid a small bail and is free.

My husband (he was american) left me a reasonable amount of money plus pension and insurance, and I'm going to sell our apartment and car. I'm young (22) and I plan to start a business. I want to live in Europe, North America or Oceania. Citizenship isn't a problem. Language, climate and economic situation are not important at all. Infrastructure is very important (good hospitals, security, internet, etc.).

We were planning to move to OR-Portland, but I don't know if it's a good option for a single woman. Also, my husband said there is a significant amount of disrespectful people in US, proportionally more than in western Europe countries.

I would like to hear what you have to say about your country. Not as a tourist, because the impression tourists have of countries has nothing to do with reality, but as an inhabitant, preferably long-term.

I already though about Japan and South Korea, but their culture is very different. Not that I dislike the eastern culture, but I think I will never get used to it.

Thank you in advance.

It's not necessary to read the text below, it explains some things that I dislike about Brazil:
Most days I can't even park my car in my condo because the owner of the lot alongside mine just parks his car diagonally, occupying two lots. There's no quietness, because there's always someone playing very loud music. I get mad when I see people doing wrong things, and some things that I think are very wrong are just normal here, they park in reserved lots (for elder/disabled) deliberately, drive on the roadside, drive unlicensed vehicles (like tractors) on regular roads, drive bikes without exhausts and cars with very loud sound that even my car shakes. They jump queues, they constantly interrupt a conversation, extramarital affairs are common, they tolerate unbelievable levels of corruption in government and business as well as stupidly high taxes, the entire country revolves around things that I'm not interested (soccer and carnival), law is almost not enforced at all (the police is very corrupt, and so the judges and pretty much the entire public sector). Brazilians are almost entirely apoliticals and are obliged to vote (according to a recent research only 36,5% remember the candidate they voted last election, and only 10% knows what they do), and doesn't have any basic notion of politics (e.g.: hundreds of people dies every day on queue of public hospitals, and the government is cutting off 55bi of social infrastructure, including health, while the government is spending several billions constructing roads and bridges in various countries in latin america and even a big port in Cuba - "investments" that will not generate financial return.). The people are just happy all the time, without apparent reason, it's morbid in my opinion. One of my neighbors was with a huge smile on his face only some days after losing his father. Outlaws here are celebrated and national heroes. "Malandragem" is the popular lifestyle here. (see: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malandragem)

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What exactly do you mean when you say "Citizenship isn't a problem?" Taking citizenship isn't even an option until you've lived somewhere for a while. Otherwise, the main problem with citizenship is usually access to the appropriate residence visa - and that can pose a very big problem in most countries these days.

In most developed countries (where the infrastructure meets your needs), you need to have either an employer or a family member to act as your "sponsor." You can get into the US on an investment type visa - but the entry threshold is pretty high and you may need some demonstrated experience in your line of work to convince them your proposed business will work. Some investment-type visas lead to permanent residence, but others don't, and you can be thrown out of the US if your business is judged to be insufficiently performing.

Europe is an option, but again, you need a sponsor of some sort for most countries. (Or a European nationality that allows you to live and work in other EU countries.)

The degree of "respectfulness" depends quite a bit on your circumstances and can vary from area to area many places. Language also makes a huge difference. Those who don't speak the local language are often left out of many things.

It's tough to recommend a country for someone else - and to some extent you have to judge your own ties and advantages when it comes to qualifying for a visa.
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What exactly do you mean when you say "Citizenship isn't a problem?" Taking citizenship isn't even an option until you've lived somewhere for a while. Otherwise, the main problem with citizenship is usually access to the appropriate residence visa - and that can pose a very big problem in most countries these days.

In most developed countries (where the infrastructure meets your needs), you need to have either an employer or a family member to act as your "sponsor." You can get into the US on an investment type visa - but the entry threshold is pretty high and you may need some demonstrated experience in your line of work to convince them your proposed business will work. Some investment-type visas lead to permanent residence, but others don't, and you can be thrown out of the US if your business is judged to be insufficiently performing.

Europe is an option, but again, you need a sponsor of some sort for most countries. (Or a European nationality that allows you to live and work in other EU countries.)

The degree of "respectfulness" depends quite a bit on your circumstances and can vary from area to area many places. Language also makes a huge difference. Those who don't speak the local language are often left out of many things.

It's tough to recommend a country for someone else - and to some extent you have to judge your own ties and advantages when it comes to qualifying for a visa.
Cheers,
Bev
Thank you very much for your kind answer.

I have dual citizenship (US and Italy) and I'm going to invest a substantial amount of money in the country I'm moving to. I really doubt citizenship will be a problem. I have relatives in US, Italy and Germany.

Some places I have in my mind are Norway, Switzerland and the region of New England in US.

I was expecting answers about experiences on different countries, I don't care about papers, etc. I just want to know which developed country of western culture has the most respectful people, I'm tired of stupid people all around me. Germany for example, would be a good option, and I have a lot of friends there.

It doesn't matter how much it will cost, I will pay anything to move to a decent country. I want a place to live the rest of my life, I want to be a member of another nation, a civilized and decent one. I want to forget this country even exists.

Thank you.

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Hey there,

Well i would suggest you to look into Denmark.
Danish are amongst most polite kind people i have seen really. Of course like everywhere there all kinds of people but talking in general, I would definitely suggest anyone to experience this country.

I am originally from Lithuania, so I am used to rude people honking cars in traffic, and to each its own kind of attitude. When I came to Denmark I was absolutely shocked, when people would back off the car while pedestrian would be going on the sideways and a lot of details like that (young people letting sit the elders in the buss and stuff, where I am from we got no respect to our elders, and even I have grown up with it I do not think that's a way to treat people). Well its small details like that what shows you how mature of the country they are i think (devil is always in the details ). Downside is, they do have danish language out here and even tho you will be understood 90% of the time while speaking English, in order to fully integrate you would need to learn danish. But hey even that is taken care for you - if you do get into Denmark and you work or study in here, you will have 2 years of FREE Danish language course in any bigger town/city so if you any good in languages you will definitely have a chance to adapt.

So far I am here 5 years planing to go try out some other countries myself, but seen both good and bad out here. All tho in general I love this country and would consider coming back anytime. So definitely would suggest looking into it
Feel free to PM me if you wanna know something more specific, I will try to help with all i know.

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I'm from New England, and I love it there. The people have a reputation for being a little "stand-offish" but having been raised there, I don't necessarily agree with that characterization. There are towns I would never live in there, and there are towns it would be great fun to live in. I guess that just supports the notion that there are jerks everywhere. You just have to learn how to avoid them.

I almost wound up in Norway, and spent considerable time there over about a year's time. It's a lovely country, with strong, proud people. They're also very quiet - a bit like native New Englanders. Then again, they had that nut case running loose last year, who shot all the kids and set off the bomb in downtown Oslo. Again, there are jerks everywhere.

I now live in France (and have French citizenship). France has lots going for it - among other things, a genuine respect for a person's "private life." But the pressure to "assimilate" in France is strong for foreigners - you're supposed to blend in with the countryside and not remind anyone you're a foreigner, which some people find hard to do. The next couple months will be a little bit frantic here, with the elections coming up in April and May - kind of like in the US now, but mercifully lots shorter.

I lived in Germany for almost 3 years, and had a great time while I was there. Then again, I speak German pretty well and had a pretty good job - one I really enjoyed and where I learned a tremendous amount. One thing Germany is is "ordentlich" - orderly - and if that's what you mean by "respectful" Germany may be the place for you. There are rules for everything - and everyone seems to know (and respect) the rules. At first it can be a bit bewildering just trying to figure out all these rules and sticking to them.

That's what I know of the countries you're thinking about.
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Your decision is surely appreciable and we hope best for you. Have faith and believe in yourself and d whatever this life wants you to do and just see how life changes you in short time period. This life has many cons and pros but we have to fight them until we are no more here. So wishing you for the best future in America.

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