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I am a US citizen who was married (now divorced) to a french woman. We had a daughter who is now 18 and a duel citizen. It has become clear to me that she will make her life in France so to be near to her I want to move back. I had a carte de sejour that has expired . I have joked for years with my daughter that she is my "anchor baby" and it might just be time to find out if I can legally move back . Do I have any right to a carte de sejour as the parent of a French citizen? I am only 51 so I will need to be able to work legally. Thank you in advance

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Basically, no, you can't get a visa or a carte de séjour based solely on being the parent of a French national. To be considered for a "regroupement de famille" visa you either have to be the parent of a French citizen who is a minor and be able to show that you will contribute to their upbringing (obviously too late in your case) OR you have to be the parent of a French citizen and dependent on that French citizen (which means you wouldn't be able to work).

If your French is good enough, you could start looking for work in France and come over with an employer as your sponsor - though in this current environment, that's not easy.
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Basically, no, you can't get a visa or a carte de séjour based solely on being the parent of a French national. To be considered for a "regroupement de famille" visa you either have to be the parent of a French citizen who is a minor and be able to show that you will contribute to their upbringing (obviously too late in your case) OR you have to be the parent of a French citizen and dependent on that French citizen (which means you wouldn't be able to work).

If your French is good enough, you could start looking for work in France and come over with an employer as your sponsor - though in this current environment, that's not easy.
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Thank you for your response. I suspected that would be the case. My French is very good and thanks to software my written French is PERFECT. She is really only 17 but her birthday is in about 12 weeks so for all intents and purposes,it is too late to try that route. I ran a SARL in the 90"s and have a few contacts left but the best way to go seems to be with a language school to start and then to start another SARL. As long as you are trying to make the proverbial pie bigger rather than take slice, your options will always be better. GOOD GOD I sounded like a Republican there. I believe in the same things in both places but in the USA I am left of center and in France I am right of center. Thanks again


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If you're looking to set up a business in France, check the website for your local French consulate. Some (but not all) of the consulates indicate that they are issuing long-stay visitor visas (with no work privileges) for "entrepreneurs." In most cases we've had through here, they're referring to those looking to set up auto-entrepreneur businesses when they arrive in France. But I would think the same reasoning should apply to someone looking to set up an SARL.

Basically, you have to go to the prefecture on arrival and show that you are qualified to enter into the business you're planning on establishing. (Mostly this is to check to make sure the business isn't regulated or doesn't have specific requirements, like a medical doctor or expert comptable or something like that.) Once you get the ok from the prefecture, you can apply to the Chambre de Commerce to start setting up your business.

I'm not entirely sure of the details, but you could also check the Chambre de Commerce website for the area you would like to move to. Most of the Chambres these days have agencies set up to help entrepreneurs in setting up new companies, and they must have some information about the proper documents for a foreigner looking to do this.
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Thank you for your response. I suspected that would be the case. My French is very good and thanks to software my written French is PERFECT. She is really only 17 but her birthday is in about 12 weeks so for all intents and purposes,it is too late to try that route. I ran a SARL in the 90"s and have a few contacts left but the best way to go seems to be with a language school to start and then to start another SARL. As long as you are trying to make the proverbial pie bigger rather than take slice, your options will always be better. GOOD GOD I sounded like a Republican there. I believe in the same things in both places but in the USA I am left of center and in France I am right of center. Thanks again
Before starting up a business right now in France, it's a good idea to research the current economic forecast for France and the EU Zone as analysts are calling for a rough ride for the foreseeable future, so people will be spending less. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-16186333

Another possibility is checking out employment opportunities with Uncle Sam in Europe. There are still bases not far from Lorraine and there's a big base in Vicenza, Italy. This will put you close to France. For more info, go to the OPM.GOV website.

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I thought non-Europeans were not allowed to set up an individual business in France. Is that only for EURL? A SARL requires a partner or not?

What kind of visa is given to a foreigner who wants to be an auto-entrepreneur?

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What do people make of this? I didn't understand exactly what it says.

Gerance de SARL et EURL : comment devenir gerant, comment tre grant

La SARL est gérée par une ou plusieurs personnes (appelées gérant), qui sont obligatoirement des personnes physiques (article L.223-18 du Code de commerce). Le gérant peut être associé ou non. Il n'a pas la qualité de commerçant. Les gérants sont nommés, soit dans les statuts, soit par un acte séparé. Dans les rapports avec les associés, les pouvoirs du gérant sont déterminés par les statuts. A l'égard des tiers, il est le représentant légal et est investi des pouvoirs les plus étendus pour agir en toute circonstance au nom de la société, sous réserve des pouvoirs que la loi attribue expressément aux associés. (article .223-18 du code de commerce) .

Dans les rapports avec les tiers, le gérant est investi des pouvoirs les plus étendus pour agir en toute circonstance au nom de la société, sous réserve des pouvoirs que la loi attribue expressément aux associés. La société est engagée même par les actes du gérant qui ne relèvent pas de l'objet social, à moins qu'elle ne prouve que le tiers savait que l'acte dépassait cet objet ou qu'il ne pouvait l'ignorer compte tenu des circonstances, étant exclu que la seule publication des statuts suffise à constituer cette preuve.

Les clauses statutaires limitant les pouvoirs des gérants qui résultent du présent article sont inopposables aux tiers.

En cas de pluralité de gérants, ceux-ci détiennent séparément les pouvoirs prévus au présent article. L'opposition formée par un gérant aux actes d'un autre gérant est sans effet à l'égard des tiers, à moins qu'il ne soit établi qu'ils en ont eu connaissance.
Le déplacement du siège social dans le même département ou dans un département limitrophe peut être décidé par le ou les gérants, sous réserve de ratification de cette décision par les associés dans les conditions prévues au deuxième alinéa de l'article L. 223-30.

Dans les mêmes conditions, le gérant peut mettre les statuts en harmonie avec les dispositions impératives de la loi et des règlements.

Concernant les EURL, le gérant est soumis à l’article L.223-31 (reproduction ci-après). Il est soit seul associé et gérant en même temps, soit associé unique et décide de choisir un gérant (lequel peut être n’importe quelle autre personne, de sa famille ou pas). Notons que le gérant d’une EURL ne peut pas être une autre EURL.

Gérance de la société.

La gérance est assurée par une personne physique. Il peut y avoir plusieurs gérants ; leur nombre est librement fixé dans les statuts.
Le (ou les) gérant (s) peut être ou non associé. Tout comme il peut être ou non, salarié. Aucune limite d’âge n’est impartie pour assumer les fonctions du gérant de SARL. A titre exceptionnel, une telle limite peut être spécifiée dans les statuts.

Qui peut devenir gérant.

- Toute personne majeure de nationalité française (étrangers voir plus loin...) non frappée d’incapacité ou d’interdiction de gérer par un tribunal, ni appartenant aux professions interdites en SARL.
- Le mineur émancipé.
- Deux époux. Ils peuvent seuls ou avec d’autres personnes, être associés dans une même société et participer ensemble ou non à la gestion sociale (code civil - article 1832-1).

En ce qui concerne les étrangers, les gérants (uniquement) doivent être titulaire d’une carte de commerçant, remplacée prochainement par une autorisation (à demander à la préfecture du lieu du siège social).
Sur cette carte, il devra être porté la mention de : “gérant de société”, ainsi que la nature, le siège social et l’objet de la société. Sont dispensés de cette carte : les étrangers titulaires de la carte de “résidents” (ordonnance n° 45-2658 du 2/11/1945 modifiée par la loi n° 84-622 du 17/7/84).
Peuvent obtenir cette carte “résident étranger”, les personnes justifiant d’une résidence non interrompue depuis au moins 3 ans en France.
Sont également dispensés de la carte de commerçant : les ressortissants des pays suivants : Vallée d’Andorre et Principauté de Monaco ; les Etats membres de la Communauté Economique Européenne.

D’autres ressortissants étrangers tout en étant tenus d’avoir la carte de commerçants, peuvent exercer les fonctions de gérant d’une société en France facilement, puisque cette carte ne peut leur être refusée (en principe !) Toutefois, il convient d’être très prudent et se renseigner au dernier moment auprès de votre Centre des Formatités (C.F.E) pour les changements qui auraient pu intervenir très récemment. Il s’agit des états du Congo, la République Centrafricaine, Les Etats-Unis, la République du Mali, du Gabon, du Sénégal, du Togo, et la Confédération Helvétique.

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I thought non-Europeans were not allowed to set up an individual business in France. Is that only for EURL? A SARL requires a partner or not?

What kind of visa is given to a foreigner who wants to be an auto-entrepreneur?
Very timely question - and one to which there isn't a simple answer. (This IS still France, after all!)

It is possible for a non-EU national to register an Auto-Entrepreneur business (according to the Auto-Entrepreneur portal site here: Portail Officiel des Auto-Entrepreneurs

According to them, you should enter France on a long-stay (i.e. one-year) visitor visa without the right to work and then go to the prefecture to request a change in status based on the nature of the auto-entrepreneur business you propose to set up. They will determine if you are qualified to practice that business in France (i.e. that the business doesn't require special licensing or particular training) and with the carte de séjour that you are issued, you can then register your AE business.

None of this seems to apply to the other forms of business registration (EURL, SARL, EIRL or any of the others). For that, you used to need a "carte commerçante" which was a specialized type of carte de séjour, but as far as I can tell, that no longer exists.

The other weird thing is that some French consulates mention on their website that a long-term visitor visa is for "entrepreneurs" who wish to set up their self-employment business, and others don't indicate this at all. (Maybe they haven't yet "received the memo" as they say...)
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