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Just stumbled onto this very interesting document on the Europa (EU) website: http://ec.europa.eu/employment_socia...0France_en.pdf

It's a very good explanation of the elements of the French Sécurité Social system in English. (And it's also available in what appears to be all the languages of the EU.)

It was published last December, so still has the minimum retirement age as 60 (instead of 62), but that seems to be the only major change you need to be aware of.
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Thanks, Bev. This is a VERY good explanation of all the myriad commissions and agencies (and their corresponding multiple acronyms). Really does simplify the morass!

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Just stumbled onto this very interesting document on the Europa (EU) website: http://ec.europa.eu/employment_socia...0France_en.pdf

It's a very good explanation of the elements of the French Sécurité Social system in English. (And it's also available in what appears to be all the languages of the EU.)

It was published last December, so still has the minimum retirement age as 60 (instead of 62), but that seems to be the only major change you need to be aware of.
Cheers,
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Hi Bev,
I'm a little confused with the whole social security in France thing.

My husband and I went to get myself covered under his healthcare as a dependant. All my paperwork seemed in order and the fonctionnaire said, I believed, I'll get my healthinsurance in a short while. Does that mean I'll be getting a social security number at the same time? Is that number the same one they use for your healthcare one?

fyi: I got une lettre d'attestation from OFII stating that everything is en règle, and they'll "convoquer moi dans 2 ou 3 mois." Do I get my social security number from them?

I'm kind of anxious because I can't register at the unemployment office until I get a social security number.

Thanks for your info. xoxo, hulagirl.

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Hi Bev,
I'm a little confused with the whole social security in France thing.

My husband and I went to get myself covered under his healthcare as a dependant. All my paperwork seemed in order and the fonctionnaire said, I believed, I'll get my healthinsurance in a short while. Does that mean I'll be getting a social security number at the same time? Is that number the same one they use for your healthcare one?

fyi: I got une lettre d'attestation from OFII stating that everything is en règle, and they'll "convoquer moi dans 2 ou 3 mois." Do I get my social security number from them?

I'm kind of anxious because I can't register at the unemployment office until I get a social security number.

Thanks for your info. xoxo, hulagirl.
They keep changing the details, so it's hard to say exactly when and from whom you'll get your social security number and your own carte vitale card. It won't be from the OFII, though, (unless they change it yet again).

They should be able to put you on your husband's carte vitale pretty much right away (though having your OFII vignette will definitely help!) Even as a dependent you should wind up getting a card of your own - though in the meantime you can use his card if you need to see a doctor.

Are you sure you need a ss number to make use of the Pôle d'emploi? You can't actually "register" there are you're not eligible for benefits - but you don't have to register in order to make use of their resources (i.e. job listings, etc.). Normally, you won't get a ss number until you get a job, as it's usually the employer who sends in the paperwork that jump starts the process. They may want you to have your OFII vignette (to make sure you're here legally and have the right to work), but I don't believe they require a ss number unless you're looking to draw benefits.
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Very helpful post Bev!

I am trying to understand how I would receive my French old-age pension when I am 62 or older. I would likely NOT be living in France at that time and I would likely only have paid into the system for 3 years or so. It seems that I would definitely be entitled to some payout but I cannot see the mathematical formulas to determine the monthly payout.

Has anyone researched this (3 years of paying into the system) and/or receiving a benefit when living outside of Europe?

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The formulas aren't entirely cut and dried, especially due to the two part retirement system here in France. And, I'm told that under some circumstances (thanks to the social security treaties between the US and France) they actually do take your US work record into account to some extent.

But I do know someone who worked for only 3 years in Switzerland and who then applied for her Swiss pension after her return to the US. Worked out to something like 50 CHF a year - which they duly send her now.

When you are approaching retirement age, you should contact the French retirement agency (or inquire at your French consulate). There are a bunch of forms you'll need to fill out so that they can figure out the amount of your benefit - including providing information about your US (and any other EU) work history.
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They keep changing the details, so it's hard to say exactly when and from whom you'll get your social security number and your own carte vitale card. It won't be from the OFII, though, (unless they change it yet again).

They should be able to put you on your husband's carte vitale pretty much right away (though having your OFII vignette will definitely help!) Even as a dependent you should wind up getting a card of your own - though in the meantime you can use his card if you need to see a doctor.

Are you sure you need a ss number to make use of the Pôle d'emploi? You can't actually "register" there are you're not eligible for benefits - but you don't have to register in order to make use of their resources (i.e. job listings, etc.). Normally, you won't get a ss number until you get a job, as it's usually the employer who sends in the paperwork that jump starts the process. They may want you to have your OFII vignette (to make sure you're here legally and have the right to work), but I don't believe they require a ss number unless you're looking to draw benefits.
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Hi!

I arrived in early October, and have seen the pole emploi site and tried to register. The site asks for your SS number as one of the first steps! Oh well, I tried plugging in my old SS number, as I heard it doesn't change if you once long ago lived in France and left, but have returned, but there seems to be an extra number now required.
If you are unemployed, how do you get a SS number? Is it the CAF? I can't recall how I got a SS number last time (and I was unemployed then, just raising my French child), so I think it must have been the CAF!

So what are the first steps anyway? Prefecture, then CAF, then Securite Sociale, then register at Pole Emploi, or have I got it all backwads? Last time I just muddled through but it took ten months to get anywhere, so I want to do it right in order this time!

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I arrived in early October, and have seen the pole emploi site and tried to register. The site asks for your SS number as one of the first steps! Oh well, I tried plugging in my old SS number, as I heard it doesn't change if you once long ago lived in France and left, but have returned, but there seems to be an extra number now required.
If you are unemployed, how do you get a SS number? Is it the CAF? I can't recall how I got a SS number last time (and I was unemployed then, just raising my French child), so I think it must have been the CAF!

So what are the first steps anyway? Prefecture, then CAF, then Securite Sociale, then register at Pole Emploi, or have I got it all backwads? Last time I just muddled through but it took ten months to get anywhere, so I want to do it right in order this time!

Lorraine
You can't register with Pole d'Emploi (as far as I know) until you have worked in France. Registering with them means signing up for benefits, and coming from the US you have no reciprocity in these things. When you get a job in France, you'll get a social security number.

But you don't have to be registered with Pole d'Emploi to be able to go into their offices and consult their job listings or make use of some of their job hunting services.

What sort of visa are you here on? That also makes a difference.
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You can't register with Pole d'Emploi (as far as I know) until you have worked in France. Registering with them means signing up for benefits, and coming from the US you have no reciprocity in these things. When you get a job in France, you'll get a social security number.

But you don't have to be registered with Pole d'Emploi to be able to go into their offices and consult their job listings or make use of some of their job hunting services.

What sort of visa are you here on? That also makes a difference.
Cheers,
Bev
HI, I think I can register, because I worked before in France, but we'll see. First I need to redo my social security number, and the main question for me is whether I have to go to the prefecture first for the carte de sejour (recipisse) then to the securite sociale for that number.

I guess I have to go to the CAF sometime, but I'm not sure what I need first for that, either.

I think the first step is the prefecture for cds? or can I do the Securite Sociale at the same time/same week? I can't open a bank account without that.

Last time I was here, I did everything in one week, and this time it is not so easy because I have a fracture!
THanks for any help

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You can't register with Pole d'Emploi (as far as I know) until you have worked in France. Registering with them means signing up for benefits, and coming from the US you have no reciprocity in these things. When you get a job in France, you'll get a social security number.

But you don't have to be registered with Pole d'Emploi to be able to go into their offices and consult their job listings or make use of some of their job hunting services.

What sort of visa are you here on? That also makes a difference.
Cheers,
Bev
oh, I"m on a visa "famille francais" for a cds "vie privee et familiale"

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