Help with Building plans in France

[Big Pete]

Originally Posted by Stravinsky

All the same, I would ask you not to give incorrect advice to people on the forum, especially when it is advocating illegalities and possibly putting them in a difficult situation. You clearly have no regard for the laws as they stand if they dont suit you, and although that is a risk for you alone to take, it cannot be condoned by this forum.
Thanks for your cooperation

So the members dont post for peoples opinions then ? just for legal advice ?
Is that the jist of it ?

I agree its down to the poster to find legal issues out and being honest if the poster doesnt want peoples views and input , then you should advise the Poster in Bold letters " Seek a Lawyer - Solicitor do not post asking for views "

Had i posted the same question i would love to read what the genuine feeling is and then way up from there ..

My input is from experience and stands ! But the poster obviously knows that its his ultimate decision surely ?

Maybe the OP will let me know his views was i useful or not ?

[giantpanda]

Originally Posted by johncheney

Hi
CAN ANYONE HELP, have just bought a place in Northern France and now we have found out regulations have changed and need building permission for doing any renovation inside house, does anyone know anyone who could help guide us through the process, not doing anything drastic just replacing two windows and putting up a couple of hardwood walls in loft???
MANY THANKS
cAROL AND JOHN

Hi!

On the base of the new building regulations per 1.10.2007:


1. Window remplacement : no déclaration de travaux. If you have it done by a firm, and if they are double windows according certain norms ( as the firm), you can get an income tax réduction on the value of the material ( not the work ), if it is you main residence. Form 2042/page4/boxWG - send copy of the invoice.

2. Loft:

You have this:

Inside conversion-Aménagements intérieurs -

-No authorization if the work does not modify the exterior aspect, and is no change of the purpose, and does not add extra levels.

-Aménagements intérieurs-DP (Déclaration préalable) < 20 sqm SHOB (Surface hors-oeuvre brute)

-Aménagements intérieurs-PC > 20sqm SHOB (Surface hors-oeuvre brute)

and/or this:

Change of object for a building - Changement de destination d’un bâtiment - DP even if no construction work is involved (Art. R421-17 du code de l’urbanisme


-PC if changes are made in the carrying structure or if the front ( means the outside of building ) is modified (Art. R421-14 du code de l’urbanisme)


Yours,

giantpanda

[Stravinsky]

Originally Posted by Big Pete

So the members dont post for peoples opinions then ? just for legal advice ?
Is that the jist of it ?

The OP was asking specifically for the procedure
What if he took your advice suggesting he break the planning laws?
You willing to stump up the fine

[Big Pete]

Originally Posted by Stravinsky

The OP was asking specifically for the procedure
What if he took your advice suggesting he break the planning laws?
You willing to stump up the fine

If the OP gives me £ 600 which i estimate would be the cost to get his plans done and put in etc , then YES ..

I would take the gamble that if he got caught i would pay the fine as i doubt it would be no more than £ 500

As long as there is no exterior changes made i doubt anyone cares a eyeoter so would happily act as his insurance policy ..

[Stravinsky]

Originally Posted by Big Pete

If the OP gives me £ 600 which i estimate would be the cost to get his plans done and put in etc , then YES ..

I would take the gamble that if he got caught i would pay the fine as i doubt it would be no more than £ 500

As long as there is no exterior changes made i doubt anyone cares a eyeoter so would happily act as his insurance policy ..

You know best BP, as you seem to on all subjects

[giantpanda]

Originally Posted by Big Pete

I would take the gamble that if he got caught i would pay the fine as i doubt it would be no more than £ 500

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Hi!

Plus a Taxe d'Habitation fine, and missing contributions.

Yours,

giantpanda

[Stravinsky]

Originally Posted by oddball

Do any of you get the message from my post? The regulations have changed since we purchased on the strength of THE REGULATIONS , meanig by the powers that be , who do you think you are in presuming you are more informed than some other poster you have decried for his seeming ignorance ? An apology would be in order at this time . Colin

Who is your post addressed to?

[Hurricane]

Originally Posted by oddball

An apology would be in order at this time . Colin

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[johncheney]

We recenty posted a question about obtaining planning permission in France. We seemed to get back a lots of opinions but very little advice. As far as I am concerned you have to get permission to carry out any renovations otherwise you fall foul of of the terrifying French beurocracy and become entangled in their oblique procedures for everymore. Anyway, we finally found a nice young French couple who speak impeccable english and are able to do what they say they are going to do ie if they say they will do something by a certain date they do it, they run a property management service in Normandy and if anone needs any help I would recommend them. They have obtained the correct form from the planning office (DDE) and have filled it in and filed it for us. We are now hoping that our modest request to upgrade our property is granted before too long. Have a good Christmas everybody.

[giantpanda]

Originally Posted by johncheney

Hi
CAN ANYONE HELP, have just bought a place in Northern France and now we have found out regulations have changed and need building permission for doing any renovation inside house, does anyone know anyone who could help guide us through the process, not doing anything drastic just replacing two windows and putting up a couple of hardwood walls in loft???
MANY THANKS
cAROL AND JOHN

Hi!

According to the new regulations you have:

Inside conversion-Aménagements intérieurs-

-No authorization if the work does not modify the exterior aspect, and is no change of the purpose, and does not add extra levels.

-DP (Déclaration préalable) < 20 sqm SHOB (Surface hors-oeuvre brute)

or:

Attic-Combles- With NO changes in the outside aspect:No authorisation for less than 10 sqm SHOB ( Surface hors-oeuvre brute) transformed in SHON (Surface hors-oeuvre nette)

-DP (Déclaration préalable) if more than 10 sqm SHOB (Surface hors-oeuvre brute) transformed in SHON (Surface hors-oeuvre nette) (Art. R421-17 du code de l’urbanisme)

Windows:

New openings incl. modifications -Création d’ouverture /aussi modifications -

DP (Déclaration préalable) (Art. R 421-17 du code de l’urbanisme)

Here you can find all the forms to download:

Here

Since any declaration means that you living quarters are being improved, and imply an increase of the Taxe d'habitation, not doing it is a Tax avoidance.

If for some reason other other it comes out later, they will correct with fine.

Yours,

giantpanda