Human Rights under more threat?

[CatMandoo]

Originally Posted by rifleman

hmmm. So what was my father doing in Palestine trying to prevent shiploads of illegal jewish refugees landing and fighting zionist terrorists then? And those hundreds of other British servicemen who died in Palestine doing the same thing? They were all supporting the people who they were being killed by eh?

You might do well to read more widely rather than just propoganda.

I'm quite well read on the subject, thank you, and from many sources. You might do well to actually just read, since you don't seem to be very knowledgeable on the subject if you have to ask me what was going on. Try for starters Balfour Declaration and The British Mandate for Palestine.

Then,if you want to have a serious discussion on the topic, open up a new thread, as this is going way off topic.

[rifleman]

Originally Posted by CatMandoo

I'm quite well read on the subject, thank you, and from many sources. You might do well to actually just read, since you don't seem to be very knowledgeable on the subject if you have to ask me what was going on. Try for starters Balfour Declaration and The British Mandate for Palestine.

Then,if you want to have a serious discussion on the topic, open up a new thread, as this is going way off topic.

I suggest you actually read the Balfour declaration because if you think that made Britain zionist then you have been reading the propoganda. The declaration is intentionally ambiguios and guaranteed the rights of those already living in Palestine. I accept it is used selectively by propogandists. And as for the British mandate, how does Britain being given a mandate to administer a region make it Zionist? Especially when it (unlike the rest of Europe and the US) uses that mandate to oppose mass Jewish migration? Britain stood almost alone in opposing mass Jewish immigration and walked away from the Mandate when it could not get support from the US and Europe for controlling that immigration. If it were Zionist it would not have wanted to limit such immigration.

[CatMandoo]

From the horses mouth....

https://zionist.org.uk/index.php?id=40

About Us
History


The Zionist Federation of Great Britain and Ireland was established in 1899 to campaign for a permanent homeland for the Jewish people. At that time, Palestine was a distant and neglected province of the Turkish Empire with a Jewish population of approximately 50,000. Herzl was working towards obtaining permission for Jews to settle in Palestine but had reached deadlock in his negotiations with the Sultan. In the United Kingdom, the leaders of the Jewish Community had not shown support to the Zionist Movement and it was left to the few committed members of the Zionist Federation, men and women of faith and vision who were convinced that history and truth were on their side to support Herzl. It was from this narrow base that the Zionist Federation became the centre of which Chaim Weizmann and his small band of British Zionists waged their struggle for a Jewish State.

In 1917, the Balfour Declaration was communicated to Lord Rothschild and the letter from the British Foreign Secretary concluded "I should be grateful if you would bring this declaration to the knowledge of the Zionist Federation".

During the next 30 years London became the centre of the World Zionist Movement. In the Zionist Federation's home at 77 Great Russell Street the Jewish Agency established its main political office and conducted government negotiations whilst the Zionist Federation secured Jewish and general support as well as financial assistance for the movement. Among others, it was the leadership of the Zionist Federation who founded WIZO, UJIA, JNF and Youth movements. After the establishment of Israel, many of the graduates of the Zionist Federation became leaders in the new State. In 1954 the Zionist Federation via the Zionist Federation Education Trust (now known as Scopus) created a network of Zionist Day Schools to educate Jewish children in the spirit of Zionism. The Zionist Federation Education Trust set up 14 schools with over 5000 pupils.

The British Zionist Federation was also the first in the world to set up its own office in Israel to assist in the integration of British Olim. The Zionist Federation today represents the UK Zionist Movement more than 120 organisations, and over 50,000 affiliated members.



Aims and Objectives


Its function is to support, co-ordinate and facilitate the work of all its affiliates nationwide, and to continue its commitment to the Zionist youth movements.
The Zionist Federation aims to encourage the participation of Jews in Zionist activities including education, culture, Hebrew language and Israel information, underpinned by our belief that the main goal of Zionism is Aliyah.
The Zionist Federation is an umbrella organisation encompassing most of the Zionist organizations and individuals in the country and, as such, represents the Zionist movement in the United Kingdom.


At the present time, when the Jewish world is changing beyond recognition, the Zionist Federation has taken on the modern role of making Israel part of the life of every Jew. This is done by co-ordinating the central national Yom Ha'atzmaut celebration, organising seminar in Israel, arranging lectures and conferences to address contemporary issues, having monthly Hebrew discussion groups, supporting our Zionist youth and young leadership and producing publications.

During 1997, to celebrate 100 years of Zionism the Zionist Federation marked 100 years of British Zionist achievement by taking a group of British Zionists on an educational seminar to Israel. The Federation continues the 100 years theme by commemorating the 80th anniversary of the Balfour Declaration and organising a special weekend seminar on Zionism 100 to include our annual Israel Conference together with organising and participating in many other activities including: a trip to Sweden, young leadership seminars, trips to Israel and a youth

[PaulAshton]

Originally Posted by CatMandoo

From the horses mouth....

Perhaps an easy solution is to give the Arabs the State of Palestine and send all the Zionists to the State of Florida as Walt Disneys Millennium exhibition at the Epcot Centre in Florida depects Jerusalem as the capital of Israel as this is part of Israel's campaign to physically Judaise Jerusalem and mentally condition the world into accepting its claims over Jerusalem

....on a serious level simply give the Arabs Palestine and Israel have back the Jews

Fact is Israel thinks it's ok to murder people, demolish their houses so that they have no proof of where they reside, kill women & children, "miss fire" rockets where civilians are located, illegally occupy land & then claim its yours etc I think most people can see that.

This is a battle that has been going on for centuries, & will continue to go on until the end of time, hopefully not all Jews get tarred and feathered with the same brush, those Jews who speak out against the above are treated harshly by the Israeli Police and if outside Israel can lose the "right of return" for those who create blogs, the ******s even trawl through facebook making note of those who oppose Israel..

[rifleman]

Originally Posted by CatMandoo

From the horses mouth....

https://zionist.org.uk/index.php?id=40

About Us
History

The Zionist Federation of Great Britain and Ireland was established in 1899 to campaign for a permanent homeland for the Jewish people. At that time, Palestine was a distant and neglected province of the Turkish Empire with a Jewish population of approximately 50,000. Herzl was working towards obtaining permission for Jews to settle in Palestine but had reached deadlock in his negotiations with the Sultan. In the United Kingdom, the leaders of the Jewish Community had not shown support to the Zionist Movement and it was left to the few committed members of the Zionist Federation, men and women of faith and vision who were convinced that history and truth were on their side to support Herzl. It was from this narrow base that the Zionist Federation became the centre of which Chaim Weizmann and his small band of British Zionists waged their struggle for a Jewish State.

In 1917, the Balfour Declaration was communicated to Lord Rothschild and the letter from the British Foreign Secretary concluded "I should be grateful if you would bring this declaration to the knowledge of the Zionist Federation".

During the next 30 years London became the centre of the World Zionist Movement. In the Zionist Federation's home at 77 Great Russell Street the Jewish Agency established its main political office and conducted government negotiations whilst the Zionist Federation secured Jewish and general support as well as financial assistance for the movement. Among others, it was the leadership of the Zionist Federation who founded WIZO, UJIA, JNF and Youth movements. After the establishment of Israel, many of the graduates of the Zionist Federation became leaders in the new State. In 1954 the Zionist Federation via the Zionist Federation Education Trust (now known as Scopus) created a network of Zionist Day Schools to educate Jewish children in the spirit of Zionism. The Zionist Federation Education Trust set up 14 schools with over 5000 pupils.

The British Zionist Federation was also the first in the world to set up its own office in Israel to assist in the integration of British Olim. The Zionist Federation today represents the UK Zionist Movement more than 120 organisations, and over 50,000 affiliated members.

Aims and Objectives

Its function is to support, co-ordinate and facilitate the work of all its affiliates nationwide, and to continue its commitment to the Zionist youth movements.
The Zionist Federation aims to encourage the participation of Jews in Zionist activities including education, culture, Hebrew language and Israel information, underpinned by our belief that the main goal of Zionism is Aliyah.
The Zionist Federation is an umbrella organisation encompassing most of the Zionist organizations and individuals in the country and, as such, represents the Zionist movement in the United Kingdom.

At the present time, when the Jewish world is changing beyond recognition, the Zionist Federation has taken on the modern role of making Israel part of the life of every Jew. This is done by co-ordinating the central national Yom Ha'atzmaut celebration, organising seminar in Israel, arranging lectures and conferences to address contemporary issues, having monthly Hebrew discussion groups, supporting our Zionist youth and young leadership and producing publications.

During 1997, to celebrate 100 years of Zionism the Zionist Federation marked 100 years of British Zionist achievement by taking a group of British Zionists on an educational seminar to Israel. The Federation continues the 100 years theme by commemorating the 80th anniversary of the Balfour Declaration and organising a special weekend seminar on Zionism 100 to include our annual Israel Conference together with organising and participating in many other activities including: a trip to Sweden, young leadership seminars, trips to Israel and a youth

So because there are British Zionists you conclude Britain is Zionist?

Thus far you have not provided a shred of evidence for that suggestion. I have provided evidence that Britain is not Zionist though and you have selectively ignored it. Here is some more. What was Britains involvement in the war of 1948? If it was Zionist it would have been supporting the Jews against the Arabs. But instead British Officers were leading the Arab Legion against the jews. Odd behaviour for Zionists dont you think. The British diplomacy at that time supported Arabs, Egypt in particular, over Isreal. Egypt was at the centre of Britains strategic interests in the Middle East and the British looked out for their own interests principally.

But it is pretty clear from the nonesense you provide as evidence that your mind has been made up for you..

[CatMandoo]

Originally Posted by rifleman

So because there are British Zionists you conclude Britain is Zionist?

Thus far you have not provided a shred of evidence for that suggestion. I have provided evidence that Britain is not Zionist though and you have selectively ignored it. Here is some more. What was Britains involvement in the war of 1948? If it was Zionist it would have been supporting the Jews against the Arabs. But instead British Officers were leading the Arab Legion against the jews. Odd behaviour for Zionists dont you think. The British diplomacy at that time supported Arabs, Egypt in particular, over Isreal. Egypt was at the centre of Britains strategic interests in the Middle East and the British looked out for their own interests principally.

But it is pretty clear from the nonesense you provide as evidence that your mind has been made up for you..

Rifleman, can you tell me the name of the richest family in GB, their estimated wealth, and what they own and control?

Why was there even a need for a "Balfour Declaration"? If jews wanted to go to Palestine, let them immigrate through the same process every other country on this earth uses, including yours and mine.

[marenostrum]

Originally Posted by rifleman

But it is pretty clear from the nonesense you provide as evidence that your mind has been made up for you..

Yet again you appear and take the moral high ground against another forum user.

I am not going to get into this debate and I don't know who is right or wrong but you only seem to appear on here to slate other people's opinions. This is a forum that focuses on Egypt and people's life here and I have yet to see a post from you that is related to Egypt in anyway shape or form.

It is clear from your way of writing that you are an arrogant individual who thinks he knows it all, a politically correct "thought" policeman with too much time on his hands. Not everyone has to follow your dogma.
I would ask Catmandoo to ignore your posts.

[MaidenScotland]

On human rights in Egypt.
If you want to continue on a zionist thread please take it to the shisa cafe..

[CatMandoo]

The total irony and two-faced hypocrital demands of the US regarding this incident are enough to make me want to vomit!

Just days ago Obama signed into law the NDAA - which in actuality makes the US a police state.!! Democracy and Human Rights my A**

[hubbly_bubbly]

Originally Posted by PaulAshton

Yes I know I wonder if those who have a Jewish mother or grandmother will be able to claim the "Right of Return" if Israel reclaim the Sinai

People might be interested the Israel government website at http://www.mfa.gov.il only seems to load in Egypt if you use a secure VPN or proxy server outside of Egypt, don't click on the link or you might find the secret police on your roof

Hahaha...

I would like to continue in the cafe but about 2 mins (literally) after I went to the above link... the hotel internet went down and has come back since. That was 2 days ago. Coincidence?

Cat. Great posts.