Another take on tourism

[CatMandoo]

Originally Posted by PaulAshton

I rather live with Egyptian's who are poor but genuine and resourceful and believe it or not I can have more interesting intelligent conversations. Some of these guys might have an old mobile phone, holes in the clothing but show pride and more class than many of the residents..many of the pathetic residents who will look down on them throw them a 20LE tip but tell everyone about it....they could have rather spent the 20LE on themselves touching up the dark roots of bleached hair.

Can't add a thing, you said it all! Bravo for you Paul!~

[MaidenScotland]

I think the first thing that has to be established once and for all is covering Islamic or cultural?

Yes I know it doesn't say you must cover up in the Koran.. but of course others will say it does and that is where the conflict appears.. is it religious dress or cultural.?

[marenostrum]

Originally Posted by PaulAshton

It's very rare to see the type that pulls a knife on you and asks if you've got any nail varnish so he can get high off of it

The type I am on about are the boring transient 40 something urban urchin residents at a complex who try and make it into a mini England there is no word to describe them.

As soon as they come over they head to the pub with showy working class person Argos bling, fake pearl bracelet, JJB football shirt or Fred Perry shirt they had in the sales and need to have chips with every meal. If the pubs sold roses in them they would probably buy one...after sucking up to the pub manager by giving them some bacon they smuggled over for free cocktails

You simply cannot hold an intelligent conversation with them as they will show you some photo of them their son on a BMX bike they bought from Halfords or how they miss mini Scotch Eggs, or show off and show you the latest iPhone that contains the occasional sentimental Disney hit like Lion King.

Count yourself lucky, at least you are not paying for their upkeep with your taxes.

The rabid left are happy at chucking welfare money at them but they don't understand that instead of buying decent food for their kids or swimming lessons to keep them fit they would rather buy beer and cigarettes.

[marenostrum]

Originally Posted by Musical

You're too late - France banned women from wearing the niquab & burka on 11 April 2011.

And how much of this has actually been enforced?

[MaidenScotland]

Originally Posted by marenostrum

And how much of this has actually been enforced?

A women was fined last week for driving with a niqab ..trying to find the link

[PaulAshton]

Originally Posted by MaidenScotland

A women was fined last week for driving with a niqab ..trying to find the link

It poses a hazard how the hell can they see?

No wonder Saudi has banned woman drivers however the excuse is it would spell the end of virginity in the country.

Apparently a report contains graphic warnings that letting women drive would increase prostitution, pornography, homosexuality and divorce.

On the other side of the coin due to the French law Amnesty International has condemned an overwhelming vote by the lower house of the French parliament to ban the wearing of full-face veils in public

"A complete ban on the covering of the face would violate the rights to freedom of expression and religion of those women who wear the burqa or the niqab as an expression of their identity or beliefs," said John Dalhuisen, Amnesty International's expert on discrimination in Europe"

[marenostrum]

Originally Posted by PaulAshton

said John Dalhuisen, Amnesty International's expert on discrimination in Europe"

Another parasite making money out of the EU failed project.

[hhaddad]

Originally Posted by MaidenScotland

A women was fined last week for driving with a niqab ..trying to find the link

Actually what I have heard and seen in the french press it's being inforced and not only for driving but also on public transport and for going into banks etc.

[jojo]

Originally Posted by hhaddad

Actually what I have heard and seen in the french press it's being inforced and not only for driving but also on public transport and for going into banks etc.

I guess it works both ways, the west may ban such clothing for safety reasons, but then Muslim countries ban "our" clothing for their own modesty reasons, which to them is probably just as important!!

Maiden made an interesting point about who decides what clothing should be worn - religion or culture??? As I understand it, most religious rituals, clothing, ideologies etc come from ancient laws regarding the environment that they were living in at the time - religion was originally a form of policing and controlling the masses. Some religions have moved with the times, others havent for whatever reason - Thats not to belittle any of it, but I do feel that we ALL need to show a bit more respect for the values of the countries we choose to settle in be it alcohol, clothing, marriage... etc !!! Remember that old say "when in Rome...." well we're all guilty to an extent of not doing that and trying to change our surrounding to make them like "home"!!!! I guess the same for tourism and holidays, altho if Muslims and Egypt become too "strict" they will lose tourists - but the choice is theirs IMO

I suspect in a few generations time, we'll all have amalgamated into singing from the same song book and we'll find something else to argue about LOL. But it wont happen overnight

Jo xxx

[expatagogo]

Originally Posted by hhaddad

Actually what I have heard and seen in the french press it's being inforced and not only for driving but also on public transport and for going into banks etc.

My former Egyptian sister-in-law lives in France. When she and her husband returned to Egypt after being away for seven years (had to get their residency papers fixed before they would leave), not only was she platinum blonde, she no longer hijabed. Why? "It's illegal in France!" she said, batting her lashes over her blue contact lenses. Really, this is the stuff lore is made of.