starting a business here - small

[MaidenScotland]

Originally Posted by marenostrum

ah ah. Wait till i tell them i left school at 14, they'll try and rob me of my business just on the basis of their degree

Mind you a lot of the graduates i have met in me life think they have a god given right to a top job straight away, i don't think it is just an eg problem.

Maiden one last question, do they have these stupid employment tribunals here like they have in UK?

Not that I am aware of...

[bat]

Originally Posted by marenostrum

ah ah. Wait till i tell them i left school at 14, they'll try and rob me of my business just on the basis of their degree

Mind you a lot of the graduates i have met in me life think they have a god given right to a top job straight away, i don't think it is just an eg problem.

Maiden one last question, do they have these stupid employment tribunals here like they have in UK?

Yes they do and, there's always someone who knows all the rules, of course there are ways around this but in this new climate!!

[bat]

Originally Posted by marenostrum

ah ah. Wait till i tell them i left school at 14, they'll try and rob me of my business just on the basis of their degree

Mind you a lot of the graduates i have met in me life think they have a god given right to a top job straight away, i don't think it is just an eg problem.

Maiden one last question, do they have these stupid employment tribunals here like they have in UK?

If you tell them you left school at 14, graduates won't work for you!
Bat

[marenostrum]

Originally Posted by bat

What! You think you can
a, afford a graduate
B, that they will turn up
LOL
Would it not be good experience of the " work place culture" to work in the field your looking at for 2 weeks or so just to get a general feel .
Bat

no not for me, i don't need / want to work for others now even though i understand why you suggested it. Fortunately (or unfortunately depending on viewpoints ) i come from a place which is very similar to Cairo for many things so i am aware that they'll try and scam me as much as they can.

I'm not going to put too much money in it anyway at least at the start so if it goes all wrong (which is a high chance i am aware of that) no harm done.

At the end of the day if people complain about there not being any job and they are lazy what the hell are they on about?? As I said before the average egyptian (i mean the ones that have been to sec school and uni seem clued up to me but of course that does not mean they are ready for work).

[bat]

Originally Posted by marenostrum

no not for me, i don't need / want to work for others now even though i understand why you suggested it. Fortunately (or unfortunately depending on viewpoints ) i come from a place which is very similar to Cairo for many things so i am aware that they'll try and scam me as much as they can.

I'm not going to put too much money in it anyway at least at the start so if it goes all wrong (which is a high chance i am aware of that) no harm done.

At the end of the day if people complain about there not being any job and they are lazy what the hell are they on about?? As I said before the average egyptian (i mean the ones that have been to sec school and uni seem clued up to me but of course that does not mean they are ready for work).

No didn't mean scam etc
But just to understand the work culture, it self , there attitude etc, factory workers different social group from office workers, who are different from shop workers etc.
As for uni,
Uni, BUE,AUC, etc, so expensive, that parents are back in the money when they finish, so it's cheap at that point to let them stay in bed all day and party all night.
The poor things need there rest, and there far to clever to work in a company , oh my goodness, never.

[MensEtManus]

ahh - welcome to what I find hilarious about the whole unemployment issue. They do not like the jobs being offered. They all want to be presidents at the age of 21.

Uni graduates are a pain. First of all, they like titles.
1) You are expected to call a 21 year old boy "Eng. XXX"
2) The uni grad expects: a desk, an air condition, a computer, etc
3) The uni grad knows more than you and on his first day on the job will tell you that everything you are doing is wrong and you should listen to his opinions
4) You try to explain to the uni grad, it is your first day, you should listen for a month and then contribute ideas.
5) He asks to get the manual for the machine or the autocad drawings, etc. You explain to him that you created the machine and guidelines are posted on the machine. However, he should simply just listen and learn from his trainer
6) He says, I cannot learn from an unedcuated trainer who is not an engineer.
7) The uni grad continues to pester you with annoying comments. Again, you say, it is your first day, just listen and follow. Do not talk.
8) He quits
9) He files a complain against you for misconduct
10) His uncle from his mother side has a cousin who knows a girl whose uncle is a XXXX and that person tries to harm you in some way..

[bat]

Originally Posted by MensEtManus

ahh - welcome to what I find hilarious about the whole unemployment issue. They do not like the jobs being offered. They all want to be presidents at the age of 21.

Uni graduates are a pain. First of all, they like titles.
1) You are expected to call a 21 year old boy "Eng. XXX"
2) The uni grad expects: a desk, an air condition, a computer, etc
3) The uni grad knows more than you and on his first day on the job will tell you that everything you are doing is wrong and you should listen to his opinions
4) You try to explain to the uni grad, it is your first day, you should listen for a month and then contribute ideas.
5) He asks to get the manual for the machine or the autocad drawings, etc. You explain to him that you created the machine and guidelines are posted on the machine. However, he should simply just listen and learn from his trainer
6) He says, I cannot learn from an unedcuated trainer who is not an engineer.
7) The uni grad continues to pester you with annoying comments. Again, you say, it is your first day, just listen and follow. Do not talk.

8) He quits
9) He files a complain against you for misconduct
10) His uncle from his mother side has a cousin who knows a girl whose uncle is a XXXX and that person tries to harm you in some way..

Well you were lucky , they worked a full day, I've had people just leave after a couple of hours just left or don't come back after lunch, we had 1 guy couple of weeks ago came in for a days pay, he started and left on same day, no body knew who he was, but stayed and pestered till he got 1 days wages.
Girls, don't Evan bother letting them in the door.

[expatagogo]

Managing Egyptians is next to impossible if you are a woman managing men.

The only way to get them to listen is to shame them. I had to learn the hard way, and I didn't like it, but a public chewing out was necessary to get them to do the job I wanted them to do, the way I wanted them to do it, and get it done when I wanted it done. Yes, "Management by Screaming" was the low I had to resort to.

And women? Well, as much as I'm all about girl power, don't count on them staying for any length of time. The minute the wedding party happens, she's probably out of there. If she holds on for any length of time, it will only be until the day she finds out she's pregnant, when it becomes "too dangerous" to work.

[bat]

Originally Posted by expatagogo

Managing Egyptians is next to impossible if you are a woman managing men.

The only way to get them to listen is to shame them. I had to learn the hard way, and I didn't like it, but a public chewing out was necessary to get them to do the job I wanted them to do, the way I wanted them to do it, and get it done when I wanted it done. Yes, "Management by Screaming" was the low I had to resort to.

And women? Well, as much as I'm all about girl power, don't count on them staying for any length of time. The minute the wedding party happens, she's probably out of there. If she holds on for any length of time, it will only be until the day she finds out she's pregnant, when it becomes "too dangerous" to work.

Yes , did the shouting only the once, thought he was going to get his gun and shoot me( ex army mad as a hatter and pathological liar to boot ) but he walked out.
I'm still not sure he that he won't come back and shoot me!

[expatagogo]

I'll leave being Christian and managing Muslims alone, but that's also an issue to be aware of.