New revolution on 24th August

[expatagogo]

I understand and support the right to peacably assemble, in other words protest.

What I don't understand is the point of it.

People will protest because there is an electricity problem - as if it's new and it's not - even though everybody knows and openly acknowledges there is an electricity problem. What did the government not do that it was supposed to? In less than two months?

Better yet, do you "revolutionaries" have a better plan? Any type of plan at all? No. Instead you will loudly state the obvious.

Fabulous! That's a good idea - for people still living under the "being ruled" by "rulers" mentality which Egypt is not.

Democratic election. Four years to change that if you don't like it.

[DeadGuy]

Originally Posted by mohamedx55

AGain, whether you think the new guy is good or not is irrelevant. Not everyone will agree on the same person. There was an honest democratic process that took place, a president was elected, and his term is 4 years. More people thought this guy was good so you have to see snd exercise your power in the next election.

Of course you are welcome to express your views peacefully any time any where. However, in order to gather people for a march you need to have the power to control the people not to sct violently, also you need to have the power to prevent other violent protesters from joining your team. This is essential. If you cant guarantee that more likely the march will turn violent and tgere will be negative consequences.

You have to be careful when you analyze people currently in tahrir. A lot of people come from different social and political backgrounds. It is easy to group yet its a mistake. Also you need to do a cost-benefit analysis to understand whos behind what.

All big forces have expressed that they will not join this march (Sabbahi, Baradei, Aboulfotouh..etc). Callers for this march are not reasonable in the eyes of many analysts and are motivated by hate (sawiris, abu hamid, okasha..etc). Nontheless, they have the right to express themselves peacefully. However, they are responsible if this march becomes violent because if any building or person is attacked others are ready to respond. In that case you need to blame the attacker not the person acting in self-defence. I am saying that ahead of the march because i know it will happen because these protesters are not capable of guarding their march from violent intruders who will attack buildings on their behalf. Unfortunately, peaceful protesters will be blamed. I think it is better if they do the protest in an open area away frim government buildings and such (i.e. Tagammo3, beginning of cairo alex road, etc.) this way they get to express their opinion and prevent intruders from destroying the peaceful march.

What kinda person discussing (Or debating) the issue is relevant, when I read your post on the other thread last night complaining about certain policies that you tried to apply yourself made it kinda obvious what kinda person you are, and this morning you trying to find excuses for the presidential failure by the "bad economy" and the rest of the typical MB lines, he did know the economic state of the country when he advertised his "plans" didn't he?

Anyway I can't respond to your other post since it's deleted now, but as for this post of yours, yes a president was elected, but he was elected within a legal frame that gives him certain powers (Whether this frame is fair or not, whether it's "good" or not is a whole different story), and he chose to accept being the president within the powers he was entitled instead of opposing it, but now he's giving himself all the powers that he's not even entitled to have, leaving the plans that he promised behind and focusing on getting himself and his party more seats and more power, what kinda democracy is that? Put me in and we'll have another talk? In 4 years time and with how things are done with this idiot, Egypt will probably be a Kingdom and Morsi will be the Queen

The August's 24th march is not a well organized event, I never said it was, but it obviously did scare the MB, scared them enough that the MB itself started taking extraordinary measures, and they did learn from Mubarak's mistakes and now they're gonna use people instead of police, and they got plenty of that, crowds that they can control.

The problem with the current "regime" and with the MB is people like yourself that got double standards for everything, you're criticizing a policy that you tried to apply only cause it's not your "people" applying it; Mubarak tried to give himself more powers, tried to put Gamal on, threw more cr@p on people to live with, less services offered, opposition being crushed, etc. and that's what lead to a revolution, which the MB did not support at first when they thought Mubarak's gonna work it out, and now when they're in, they're doing pretty much the same, but they're asking people to "be patient" and finding excuses for why he can't do any of what he promised, or why he's doing the stupid cr@p he's doing! Seriously?!

The only difference between Mubarak and Morsi is that Morsi's got the MB directing their idiots to "support" him and to "engage" in violent behavior with their "opposition" instead of having the police shooting at people, and the MB idiots are plenty, and they do as told, which makes it a piece of cake for them, and of course they got the "religion" card, which gives them the "legitimacy" cause whoever stands against the MB won't only be standing against "democracy", but Allah as well

[DeadGuy]

Originally Posted by expatagogo

I understand and support the right to peacably assemble, in other words protest.

What I don't understand is the point of it.

People will protest because there is an electricity problem - as if it's new and it's not - even though everybody knows and openly acknowledges there is an electricity problem. What did the government not do that it was supposed to? In less than two months?

Better yet, do you "revolutionaries" have a better plan? Any type of plan at all? No. Instead you will loudly state the obvious.

Fabulous! That's a good idea - for people still living under the "being ruled" by "rulers" mentality which Egypt is not.

Democratic election. Four years to change that if you don't like it.

It's not just the "electricity" problem that people are fed up with.........

And it was never meant to kick Morsi all the way out, it was initially advertised as a march, but the MB made it sound bigger so they'd kill it before it even starts, which they managed to do already

[expatagogo]

Meanwhile, while Egyptians are fighting among each other about the obvious, the government has been asking anyone who might have a piestre to spare for a grant, a loan, anything to keep it afloat.

Qatar just offered up $2 billion USD (TWELVE BILLION GUINEA). The IMF is cruising through to work out the details of a $4.8 billion USD (28.85 BILLION GUINEA) loan.
That's on top of the $500 million USD (3 BILLION GUINEA) grant Finance Minister Momtaz El-Saeed is going to ask Amereeka for, which is in addition to another $500 million USD (3 BILLION GUINEA) Amereeka is giving Egypt for development in the Sinia. That's a lot of money, which will go a long way toward "fixing" infrastructure problems.

Patience, people. Patience.

[MassEgypt]

The issue is not democracy or protests. The issue is that some of these people just cannot stand a religious president. They'd rather see the devil rule them rather than Morsi. SOme have a psychological issue, others bae their facts on ignorance with brains filled with propaganda by some higher ups who want presidency.

[DeadGuy]

Originally Posted by expatagogo

Meanwhile, while Egyptians are fighting among each other about the obvious, the government has been asking anyone who might have a piestre to spare for a grant, a loan, anything to keep it afloat.

Qatar just offered up $2 billion USD (TWELVE BILLION GUINEA). The IMF is cruising through to work out the details of a $4.8 billion USD (28.85 BILLION GUINEA) loan.
That's on top of the $500 million USD (3 BILLION GUINEA) grant Finance Minister Momtaz El-Saeed is going to ask Amereeka for, which is in addition to another $500 million USD (3 BILLION GUINEA) Amereeka is giving Egypt for development in the Sinia. That's a lot of money, which will go a long way toward "fixing" infrastructure problems.

Patience, people. Patience.

You REALLY think it's ONLY about money and electricity and infrastructure don't you?

It is part of the problem yes, but not all of it, it's mainly about Morsi and the MB's behavior, what would you do if your president came out and said Brits' best interest is his priority? Or for his "gang" to be coming out with same old sh!t lies trying to hide facts? Or his "party" meeting international officials while claiming that they're not politically involved? The list is long really, but it's not all about electricity and money, with more than half the population living under poverty line for ages? Most people in here are used to rough living circumstances already, and it's not a problem for them to keep going this way

[DeadGuy]

Originally Posted by MassEgypt

The issue is not democracy or protests. The issue is that some of these people just cannot stand a religious president. They'd rather see the devil rule them rather than Morsi. SOme have a psychological issue, others bae their facts on ignorance with brains filled with propaganda by some higher ups who want presidency.

Oh, really?

It's not "religion" that's a problem, it's mixing religion with politics that's a problem, and it started with "You'll go to Hell if you don't vote for him" and now it got to the point where someone actually said "You're Halal to be killed if you protest against him" in a PUBLIC meeting

[expatagogo]

Originally Posted by DeadGuy

You REALLY think it's ONLY about money and electricity and infrastructure don't you?

It is part of the problem yes, but not all of it, it's mainly about Morsi and the MB's behavior, what would you do if your president came out and said Brits' best interest is his priority? Or for his "gang" to be coming out with same old sh!t lies trying to hide facts? Or his "party" meeting international officials while claiming that they're not politically involved? The list is long really, but it's not all about electricity and money, with more than half the population living under poverty line for ages? Most people in here are used to rough living circumstances already, and it's not a problem for them to keep going this way

Do you REALLY want to know what my opinion is? REALLY?

[MassEgypt]

Again that's your viewpoint. Thank you so much for sharing it but again that's your viewpoint. As the previous guy explained, this was a democratic process. Morsi was allowed to be nominated as a president elect. He participated in a democratic process to choose the president. His term is 4 years. This is the main issue that you need to agree with, internalize, and actually believe and implement.

If you had issues about Morsi courts are open to your disputed before and after elections. Everyone was against him yet they found nothing on him. he certainly did not have the power then, yet he prevailed. Whether you like it or not, he did. This is called democracy. More people thought he is the one to trust at this stage. While you voted for Shafiq (a proven thief, who fled after the election because he had no protection) or Sabbahi or Aboulfotouh, the fact is more people voted for Morsi and twice not once.

Whether the president is religious or not, this is again not your issue. This is a private issue. More people actually do want a religious president. If you do not agree with them you have to wait until he fails in his FULL TERM, then start your campaign to rally people to a different approach. But people tried unreligious presidents and wanted something different. They have the right to choose and try. and change is good.

Regarding the voting process, all the issues you raised was from non-official campaigners. Again if you have issues you can go to court and courts were very open to these cases. None was settled against Morsi because nothing was proven. however, if someone supports Morsi used religion to rally people, then that's not Morsi's problem. Again, individual acts do not matter in the big picture. Also, you are insulting the intelligence of people who receive these messages. In a democracy, people vote. If you think people are stupid then there is no hope. you need to get out and go live somewhere else. it is not hard.

[MassEgypt]

Also just looking at your language, it is very obvious you hate this guy not because of his behavior but because of an internal issue in you. Using words like "gang" and others. Remember, he can use same words against you. Fact remains, he was elected, you were not. People like him, and they dont like others.

Regarding meeting international officials, i do not understand whats wrong with that. OBVIOUSLY, if you work in politics you need to meet international officials. Meeting officials does not translate to they are cooking something together. Politics is agreements and give-and-take. OBVIOUSLY!

Regarding Hamas issue, have you calculated the amount of money he channels from Egypt to Hamas? really? Because let me tell you that Hamas does not need your help. Hamas has money and support. The previous president was selling Egyptian gas and electricty to Israel for nothing. yet we did not hear you. This was proven in court by a member of MB as a co-counsel at the time of Mubarak and court issued a ruling against it but government did not act on it. We did not hear you then. So Morsi did not spend a penny on Gaza. Opening of roads to Gaza does not cost money. There is a huge trade between Sinai and Gaza for the benefit of both parties. Remember, people in Gaza only have this route that is not guarded by Israel. and there are 2 million or so who need everything supplied. Balance is actually for the benefit of Egypt because you are the supply, they are the demand. Also Gaza is important to the security of Egypt because they are the buffer zone. It is important to win them over and benefit from them.

The issue is anyone can read a news headline, and make his own assumptions and make stuff up. Two facts remain in place: if you actually investigate and study you will see a picture completely different from what you are painting. Second, if you have anything you can present it publicly or in court with evidence and with credible issues. You can also take it to court. Anyone can just talk. And no one did that alreeady. all people just present "talk". Tell me how much Morsi has spent on Gaza, and your evidence for it. There is none. If you have worked with Gaza, you would know Hamas does not need Egyptian help except in logistics. otherwise they have enough cash to buy Sinai.