U.S. Navy Ship Fires on Boat Off Dubai, Killing 1

[Ogri750]

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/17/wo...-emirates.html




"The Associated Press reported from Dubai that the smaller boat could have been mistaken for a threat in the Gulf waters off Dubai, which are not far from Iran’s maritime boundaries"

It isn't that bloody close!!!

[Fariborz]

Originally Posted by Ogri750

"The Associated Press reported from Dubai that the smaller boat could have been mistaken for a threat in the Gulf waters off Dubai, which are not far from Iran’s maritime boundaries"

It isn't that bloody close!!!

Americans are trigger happy people by nature

Also this isn't even that bad.

On July 3, 1988, the Americans shut down an Iran Air Airbus A300 on its way to Dubai. The civilian passenger jet was carrying mostly women and children to Dubai, where they were going to spend their summer vacation. 290 people were killed that day.

Later they said that it was mistaken for an Iranian F-14, but they never apologized for the incident officially and the crew responsible for the incident got medals!!!!! The same aircraft carrier is still parked in the same place.

sorry, I can't post links b/c of my post count, but if you want more info google: Iran Air Flight 655.

[md000]

Originally Posted by Fariborz

Americans are trigger happy people by nature

Way to categorize people with a lovely blanket statement.

I won't start with examples of Canada.

As for what happened, who knows - the investigation isn't done yet. Regardless, it is a tragedy and I'm positive that, if fault is determined, the people involved will face due process.


-md000/Mike
BTW - I've shot a gun twice. Both times, in Sharjah at the gun club. Once with people from this forum (British, mostly) and once with a Saudi client.

[ccr]

I can visualize this because...

I used to dive a deep wreck (Innis, 73m depth) off the East coast. The wreck is located in the "anchor zone" about 10 (?) nautical miles off shore from Fujairah.

At times, a large US supply ship anchored at the edge of the zone but still at least 2-3 miles from the wreck.

The shortest distance to the wreck from the harbor is a directly line over where the US ship usually anchors. So whenever we go out (used to be every weekend), we have one of the multiple fast RIB equipped with .50 cal machine gun protecting the ship comes out and "force" us to make a wide diversion around the ship.

The RIB makes its intention very clear, and no way you could get any closer to the ship without crashing into the RIB or getting shot.

I am sure this is standard procedure to protect an anchored war ship, especially what happened to the USS Cole in Yemen (i.e. got damaged by a fishing boat full of explosive in harbor) a few years ago.

And further more, even though it is legal to dive further than a fixed distance from an anchored ship, we were 3 times that distance yet the US ship called the UAE Coast Guard one time on us - yet they see us diving the same wreck every weekend... so we spent 6 hours getting questioned by the UAE Naval personnel...

On the same token, there were Japanese war ships anchored in the same zone - with no RIB protection and no hassle to fishermen and divers...

[Ohio State Sucks]

[QUOTE=Fariborz;843947]Americans are trigger happy people by nature

/QUOTE]

You are naive. Nothing more to say.

[Mr Rossi]

"This is your last warning, please divert your course or we will be forced to fire"

"Yes boss, yes boss, I am doing the turning boss"

[Evok]

Originally Posted by Fariborz

Americans are trigger happy people by nature

Trolls gunna troll.

I look forward to seeing the investigation reports. Very likely the Navy recorded the incident; hope they release the footage.

[Fariborz]

Look at all the anger here.

Your country's navy has been parked in that body of water for decades and is responsible for the death of thousands in those decades, mostly civilians (i.e. IA flight 655, this incident and many more) and instead of apologizing, you guys are giving attitude.

What a state of affair.

[Evok]

Originally Posted by Fariborz

Look at all the anger here.

Your country's navy has been parked in that body of water for decades and is responsible for the death of thousands in those decades, mostly civilians (i.e. IA flight 655, this incident and many more) and instead of apologizing, you guys are giving attitude.

What a state of affair.

Well I'm not really angry, so lets logically break down your points:

1) We've had carriers in the region for decades. This is true and it doesn't cause me any consternation.
2) Responsible for the death of thousands in those decades, mostly civilians. This is partially true. The USG has killed thousands in the past decade in the region through a relatively unsuccessful war. The majority of these deaths were not civilian, but military or militant (meaning not part of a standing army but engaged in warfare activities).
3) Giving attitude. Not really. I'm happy to back up my discussions with references if you'd like to get into the detail.

I suppose you'd consider me one of those "trigger happy" Americans in that I know how to operate a weapon as required. Similarly, I've learned that weapons should never be used unless necessary, and that the finality of death is exactly as described.

So feed on, troll. I'm not angry, or even mildly upset, and I know I can't convince you otherwise of your beliefs. I just hope that others reading these forums don't broadly believe ignorant talk like this anymore than claiming that "locals here are arrogant savages." People are people.

-Evok

[Swerveut]

Originally Posted by md000

Way to categorize people with a lovely blanket statement.

I won't start with examples of Canada.

As for what happened, who knows - the investigation isn't done yet. Regardless, it is a tragedy and I'm positive that, if fault is determined, the people involved will face due process.


-md000/Mike
BTW - I've shot a gun twice. Both times, in Sharjah at the gun club. Once with people from this forum (British, mostly) and once with a Saudi client.

Really? the incident happened in 1988! How come the investigation is not complete yet?

Mistaking a big passenger plane for a fighter aircraft - seems like a mistake that really cannot be a mistake.

About americans being trigger happy, I lived in the South for more than 6 years, and I can attest to this fact.