I need serious advice people!

[pamela0810]

Better the devil you know than the devil you don't!

Quite frankly, AED 7,500/- a month is a very small price Company Y is paying if you are moving there with your entire client database.

If they see you as potentially an invaluable asset then let them make an offer that you just can't refuse. Just a pay hike of AED 6,000/- and a car won't cut it in my opinion. Now is your opportunity to negotiate and also to find out if they can draw up a future plan for you. Get a percentage increase on all grounds (housing, airline tickets, retirement benefits, stock options etc etc).

[rsinner]

Apart from the dilemma you also need to consider the law. Unless you are in a free zone company etc, there might be a labour ban for leaving the company so quickly (I think laws were changed, but then not implemented, then "clarified", then implemented poorly, or something like that - so absolutely no idea what the current laws/practices are any more).

Also, you have mentioned the 7500 figure and that it is important. However, if you are going to a competitor AND with a client base. I hope the 7500 is at least 40-50% higher than the current salary. [I would not move for less than 20% jump in salary if I bring nothing substantial to the table; but if I was in a position like you are, I would not move for less than 40% jump]

http://gulfnews.com/news/gulf/uae/em...r-ban-1.848607
http://gulfnews.com/news/gulf/uae/em...-jobs-1.939633

a legal consultant at the Ministry of Labour clarified the new rules and said expatriate workers would still receive a one-year ban if they failed to get their sponsor's consent before changing employment.
"No one is allowed to switch jobs even if they complete many years in their [current job], without the consent of their sponsor," Hussain said.

[w_man]

As someone already mentioned, company X seems to be growing as you say and in my experience, growing companies have a bit more potential for individual growth. Of course, you know best if this is true or not for company X.

This is a fairly personal decision in my opinion so you will have to make the ultimate decision on your own. If you are simply looking for opinions, I would personally stay with company X. If I like the environment and the people I work with, this holds much more value to me than money - certainly more than 6k ... maybe if it was 15+ k, I'd reconsider

I work for a small company and really enjoy it, certainly don't miss the big company environment. I have had offers from bigger outfits before and I guess the number hasn't been right for me to make the move.

Hope you make the decision which is good for you and your family. GL.

[splendor]

they should be part of moral.. when ever you do any thing,,, I believe if you make your move you will loose a lot.. you have to consider the value of happiness with the people you work with, the value of the very good working relationship with director and team,,,, and then you will find that your salary is much more than the new offer... I had the same experience, I move because of money and not agree with one of the manager .. but I felt so sorry ,, after accepting high salary offer ,,, and found that the environment not that good and friendly ...
moreover ... the new company will not trust you ... you are always ready to move ,,,,
finally the term of your contract will bind you ,, the trustee terms also

[Toon]

Originally Posted by splendor

they should be part of moral.. when ever you do any thing,,, I believe if you make your move you will loose a lot.. you have to consider the value of happiness with the people you work with, the value of the very good working relationship with director and team,,,, and then you will find that your salary is much more than the new offer... I had the same experience, I move because of money and not agree with one of the manager .. but I felt so sorry ,, after accepting high salary offer ,,, and found that the environment not that good and friendly ...
moreover ... the new company will not trust you ... you are always ready to move ,,,,
finally the term of your contract will bind you ,, the trustee terms also

And the prize for "The most difficult to read post of the week" goes to....

[fcjb1970]

I would just say if you move, be sure you are willing to stick with company Y for a while (at least 5 years I would say). Sounds like you may burn some bridges and you need to consider what long term impact that might have. But you will be asked in every interview you go into why you left that job after 6 months and you need a good explanation that fits you. I left a job after 6 months and it is always asked about, I have a good reason that fits my personality and also I stayed at my next company 5 years and when I was leaving there had a very valid reason

That's my $.02

[noisyboy]

Originally Posted by fcjb1970

I would just say if you move, be sure you are willing to stick with company Y for a while (at least 5 years I would say). Sounds like you may burn some bridges and you need to consider what long term impact that might have. But you will be asked in every interview you go into why you left that job after 6 months and you need a good explanation that fits you. I left a job after 6 months and it is always asked about, I have a good reason that fits my personality and also I stayed at my next company 5 years and when I was leaving there had a very valid reason

That's my $.02

Well when I asked Company X 6 months ago during my interview how can I go about advancing in this company, I was given the ******** response of "oh, so much room for advancement here." You know what, I've seen how the most valuable employees are treated here. 5 years not a single promotion, a demotion instead. Why? I don't know. All I know is that I don't feel good when I see that, regardless of how much I enjoy working with the people. My career is much more important.

Thank you all once again for the replies. I am meeting with someone from Company Y tomorrow to have a more sincere discussion about this issue.

[JusAdy_Glasgow]

Originally Posted by noisyboy

Well when I asked Company X 6 months ago during my interview how can I go about advancing in this company, I was given the ******** response of "oh, so much room for advancement here." You know what, I've seen how the most valuable employees are treated here. 5 years not a single promotion, a demotion instead. Why? I don't know. All I know is that I don't feel good when I see that, regardless of how much I enjoy working with the people. My career is much more important.

Thank you all once again for the replies. I am meeting with someone from Company Y tomorrow to have a more sincere discussion about this issue.

I thought you enjoyed working where you are noisyboy? It sounds as though things have changed since your first post?
There's no harm in meeting up with the people from Y to see what they are all about. It's a tough decision but sometimes people from the outside can give you an unbiased view...it doesn't always make it easier though!
Let us know how you get on tomorrow.
Jus

[noisyboy]

Originally Posted by JusAdy_Glasgow

I thought you enjoyed working where you are noisyboy? It sounds as though things have changed since your first post?
There's no harm in meeting up with the people from Y to see what they are all about. It's a tough decision but sometimes people from the outside can give you an unbiased view...it doesn't always make it easier though!
Let us know how you get on tomorrow.
Jus

Hello,

I didn't say I don't enjoy working with them?! Did I convey that somewhere? Maybe I did. To clarify, I enjoy it a lot, I have a very good relationship with almost everyone but it bothers me inside to see that there's no chance of advancing.

I also said that no matter how much I enjoy working with them, my career is much more important. I hope that clears things.

[JusAdy_Glasgow]

Originally Posted by noisyboy

Hello,

I didn't say I don't enjoy working with them?! Did I convey that somewhere? Maybe I did. To clarify, I enjoy it a lot, I have a very good relationship with almost everyone but it bothers me inside to see that there's no chance of advancing.

I also said that no matter how much I enjoy working with them, my career is much more important. I hope that clears things.

Sorry, I just meant you don't sound as enthusiastic about staying at your existing job as you did at first. Maybe the prospects of the new job are becoming more and more appealing?

Just double check what the situation would be with visas etc before you get your hopes up or make a definite decision. Nothing worse than being let down by something out with everyone's control once you've made that choice.
Jus