Internet upload speed

[Vento]

i finally found an appartment and before all the unimportant stuff like dewa and empower, i rushed to du's homepage, which apparently is the provider i can choose between

So they got a lot of packages, and if i get the best and expensive ones, i can get the amazing upload speed of 1Mpbs

So what to do in 2012, in a world of cloudservices like dropbox and googledrives?

[ballyboley]

This is worrying! I'm moving out at the end of the month, we will be living in a villa in Umm Sequim 2, I think it will only be Etisilat there? Any idea what their upload speed is on their 24Mbps connection?

In general, how do you find the internet in Dubai, I'm a fairly heavy user and will be using a VPN back to my office in the UK as well as some VOIP traffic so its a bit worrying to hear how hit and miss it can be. Also, from what I've seen out there, nearly everywhere has fibre right into the home - why on earth aren't they offering 100Mbps packages then?!

[md000]

Originally Posted by ballyboley

This is worrying! I'm moving out at the end of the month, we will be living in a villa in Umm Sequim 2, I think it will only be Etisilat there? Any idea what their upload speed is on their 24Mbps connection?

In general, how do you find the internet in Dubai, I'm a fairly heavy user and will be using a VPN back to my office in the UK as well as some VOIP traffic so its a bit worrying to hear how hit and miss it can be. Also, from what I've seen out there, nearly everywhere has fibre right into the home - why on earth aren't they offering 100Mbps packages then?!

Why is it worrying? There is internet here. It works pretty well. Etisalat doesn't have a 24Mbps connection - they have a 30, 16, 8, etc. The upload speed - I think - for the 30 UL is about 8 Mbps.

The issue is that, after the data leaves the UAE, the connection slows considerably. Therefore, you may experience delays/lag. This is no fault of Etisalat/Du.

Most everywhere here has fiber - maybe not in Umm Sequim. I suspect that they aren't offering 100Mbps packages because of people like you. The expectation is that "it is just like home" - and it isn't.

I am an extremely heavy user and have the biggest residential package available on Du. It works just fine. Occasionally, I get lag on VOIP/etc.

-md000/Mike

[md000]

Originally Posted by Vento

So what to do in 2012, in a world of cloudservices like dropbox and googledrives?

Use them, just like everyone else.
And complain to dropbox and google that they need to relocate some servers to this region.

-md000/Mike

[Vento]

Originally Posted by md000

Use them, just like everyone else.
And complain to dropbox and google that they need to relocate some servers to this region.

-md000/Mike

Im not everyone else, and relocating server won't help. the post was about upload speed (thruput) and not the physical distance to the servers (network latency).

[Vento]

Originally Posted by md000

The issue is that, after the data leaves the UAE, the connection slows considerably. Therefore, you may experience delays/lag. This is no fault of Etisalat/Du.

I am an extremely heavy user and have the biggest residential package available on Du. It works just fine. Occasionally, I get lag on VOIP/etc.

-md000/Mike

why is it connection slows considerably outside UAE?

[md000]

Then don't use them. At the end of the day, the through put is decent. I checked and I test about 7.5 mbps ul. The latency is bad because there are not enough routes outside the uae to handle the load the uae generates. Straight forward.
Md000

[Vento]

Originally Posted by md000

Then don't use them. At the end of the day, the through put is decent. I checked and I test about 7.5 mbps ul. The latency is bad because there are not enough routes outside the uae to handle the load the uae generates. Straight forward.
Md000

Its not like i have any choise. As i understand it, most towers have either DU or Etisalat.

I dont understand how you can get apx 8 mpbs. according to DU's homepage, they maximum upload speed is 1??

Originally Posted by md000

The latency is bad because there are not enough routes outside the uae to handle the load the uae generates. Straight forward.
Md000

Is the bottleneck EMIX? or where is excatly that bottleneck? I doubt that UAE generates that much load actually.

No, im not convinced that it is that straight forward as you write.

And as for the limit in UL in the first place. this is properly due to historic reasons more then any relevant reasons.

These upload limits used to be used for providers to make sure that lines where only used for "normal" traffic and not for content delivery, webservers etc etc

Who would use a private line now for such purpose anyway? A dedicated server isnt that expensive these days. Even if a small percentage of the customers did, it would generate less traffic than a few *heavy usage* customers who like to use NG's and similar services.

Im not sure of the pricing structure for local providers and their peers, but in any case, uploading 20GB (photo backups) to an overseas server will still be done, only difference is if it takes a long time (bad customer experience) or is relatively fast (good customer experience)

[md000]

Originally Posted by Vento

Its not like i have any choise. As i understand it, most towers have either DU or Etisalat.

This is a duopoly. You have three choices: Du, Etisalat, or nothing. You always have a choice. If you don't like the situation, .....well...tough.

Originally Posted by Vento

I dont understand how you can get apx 8 mpbs. according to DU's homepage, they maximum upload speed is 1??

Don't pay attention to what they say online. Once you come here and start to learn about the way things are done, you'll quickly realize that the online world is 10-15 years behind here.

My "actual" upload is about 500 kbps - when I transfer a file. I think I've gotten an actual speed of over 5 mbps only once - when transferring from my home to my office in the UAE. My "actual" download is about 4 mbps, with the max I've ever seen being about 8 mbps.

Originally Posted by Vento

Is the bottleneck EMIX? or where is excatly that bottleneck? I doubt that UAE generates that much load actually.

Yes, the bottleneck is EMIX (in my opinion). The "intranet" within the UAE is quite good. They've laid their fiber (why not - everything is new!). The issue is getting out of the country/region.

As for load, I disagree. many major organizations have made their regional (MENA) home here. While I'm not suggesting they have relocated their entire corporate servers and services here, they have made significant investment in servicing their staff and clients. In terms of usage vs. population, I believe the UAE is above most countries. In terms of actual usage vs. actual usage, the UAE is below many other countries, as the population isn't that enormous.

Originally Posted by Vento

No, im not convinced that it is that straight forward as you write.
And as for the limit in UL in the first place. this is properly due to historic reasons more then any relevant reasons.
These upload limits used to be used for providers to make sure that lines where only used for "normal" traffic and not for content delivery, webservers etc etc
Who would use a private line now for such purpose anyway? A dedicated server isnt that expensive these days. Even if a small percentage of the customers did, it would generate less traffic than a few *heavy usage* customers who like to use NG's and similar services.
Im not sure of the pricing structure for local providers and their peers, but in any case, uploading 20GB (photo backups) to an overseas server will still be done, only difference is if it takes a long time (bad customer experience) or is relatively fast (good customer experience)

[/QUOTE]

If you are this interested in coming to this market and being involved in IT issues, you really have to start to understand the local provider(s). You have two groups - closely aligned with government entities - that have pretty much carte blanche on whatever they feel like doing. Pricing. You have essentially no choice. I've never been in a physical location that offers a choice between Du and Etisalat (anyone?). Therefore, you are locked in - and the government just doesn't seem to care that you are being overcharged.

This isn't Europe or the US. You shouldn't expect anything - not even what's stated online.

-md000/Mike

[fcjb1970]

Originally Posted by Vento

Im not everyone else,

Sounds like you are going to have a fun time in the UAE if that is your thinking before you have even arrived. The internet here is what it is, and quite honestly is pretty good (I upload and download quite a bit). If I compare it to the way things run in general I really think the internet is pretty impressive