UK out of EU??

[Veronica]

Originally Posted by Vegaanders

Pity that noone see that Germany now carries most of the burden in EU. If the people of Germany next election say that we have had enough, then its time to get REALLY worry.

UK has always gone their own way. Left Hand Drive, No metric system, No Euro, No Schengen, Crazy rules for just visiting the country over a weekend even if you have unlimited permission to stay in EU. Have UK gained anything on this? Less immigrants, more tourists etc.
I just wonder

Nope, just the opposite. More immigrants, fewer tourists.
The immigrants all just pass through countries like France heading for the Uk as they know that the British government is stupid enough to give them benefits as soon as they get off the plane or the ferry.

[Vegaanders]

Originally Posted by deks36

Politics is really an issue people should avoid discussing to much as it always leads to a disagreement
I agree with ots you and disagree with some other points

Yes Germany is carrying a lot of burden and also has probably the best economy in Europe due to the wya it works.
Uk being different YES and so what
steering wheel, I think history shows right hand drive was first although I may be wrong, if visiting the UK is so hard to do why do we have so many illegal immigrants then staying out of the Euro is a + had we been in it then our situtation would be far worse than it is I would say that we stick to more rules than most other european countries I dont see to many brits going to European countries and getting state benefits and housing which happens here and its Brits that are loosing out

I meet Brits now and then here in Germany going on benefits as unemployed when we are looking for employees. Every country offer their EU immigrants the same benefits that it offers its own citizens when they have a permission to stay. That is EU rule.

In Germany that means about 500 euro +rent for 2 persons. Per Month.

About visiting my wife has to fill in 10 pages of VISA application plus pay a huge fee just to visit Dorset for a weekend. She has an unlimited permission to stay in Schengen but she is not a EU citizen. This is ridiculous.

[Veronica]

I agree that is ridiculous. As the wife of an EU citizen she should have the rights as you do.

[deks36]

Originally Posted by Vegaanders

About visiting my wife has to fill in 10 pages of VISA application plus pay a huge fee just to visit Dorset for a weekend. She has an unlimited permission to stay in Schengen but she is not a EU citizen. This is ridiculous.

I agree but it's always the law abiders that suffer for the rest
as for benefit NOT all EU countries adhere to the benefit rules
tkae Cyprus for example its my understanding if I was to get off the plane and head for the social security office I would get nothing as I havent contributed to the Cyprus benefit system which is how it should be
and the sooner the UK and other countries start adopting this then the sooner illegal imigrants will stop trying to get in to these countries

[Vegaanders]

If you get of the plane in Frankfurt and head for the social office you would be sent home with the words, social benefits you can get in your homecountry.

This is also the EU legislation. So Cyprus is following it perfectly and so do Germany. If UK is not, its a UK problem

[deks36]

I am confused now earlier you said Germany gives benefit to those with an Eu right to it then you say only if you have contributed.
I dont know the rules on benefits and who can claim what and where as I don't claim benefits I work for a living The UK has a massive problem with foreigners claiming off the state which the people of Britain need to stand up and say enough. If leaving the EU brings this then I am for it even though economically we will suffer dramactically.

from what I read on your comments I just think you have a real issue with Brits as all your comments seem to be negative towards Britain and brits in general

[Veronica]

Originally Posted by Vegaanders

If you get of the plane in Frankfurt and head for the social office you would be sent home with the words, social benefits you can get in your homecountry.

This is also the EU legislation. So Cyprus is following it perfectly and so do Germany. If UK is not, its a UK problem

I agree it is UKs problem. As long as it is so easy for every stray who ends up in the country to get benefits, health care, housing, etc Eastern Europeans and every other economic refugee will take dvantage and continue to bleed the country dry. It is the young British people and the older people like my mother who are suffering as they are unable to get the help they need as the moeny is running out. It is time the UK government got tough, stopped handing our hard earned taxes to these parasites and looked after their own people.

[deks36]

Originally Posted by Veronica

I agree it is UKs problem. As long as it is so easy for every stray who ends up in the country to get benefits, health care, housing, etc Eastern Europeans and every other economic refugee will take dvantage and continue to bleed the country dry. It is the young British people and the older people like my mother who are suffering as they are unable to get the help they need as the moeny is running out. It is time the UK government got tough, stopped handing our hard earned taxes to these parasites and looked after their own people.

here here

anyway back to topic
UK isn't leaving the EU yet though Mr Cameroon will offer a referendum
I expect at a time when he thinks the vote will go his way.
For what its worth I think we sure stay in the EU but maybe we should just cherry pick the good bits like others do

[Vegaanders]

We sort this out.

First about the benefits. I have not said anything about "only if you have contributed" But if you come on a plane and have not been in the country before you will get the same answer in all eu countries. As long as you have not been in the country for more then 90 days you are considered as tourist and have no rights to benefits. If you are there more then 90 days you have to have a permission to stay. This permission you get if you can show that you can take care of your self, working or have other means of survival.
In Cyprus it say if you have contributed to the social fund you have the right. This you do if you work as employee or self employed. If you have other means you dont need the benefits.

About not liking Brits its ofc not true either. But what I dont like is all this grooning over the own siuation. Noone from the outside has caused the UK problems. Noone outside UK is to blame. The players of "The Financial Center of Europe" is to blame, together with a number of governments, like in all other countries in the world.

Then I must say that your countries military expences does not help either

I have lived in many parts of the world and seen a lot. I surely dont dislike any group of people. But I dislike individuals. Fanatic right or leftwings, terrorists on all sides, rasists, homofobics and many others. But they are all in minority. I am a very positive person that believe in mankind.

I have lived in Germany the last 6 years and run a company here. the only staff(drivers) we have been able to get is older Germans and east europeans. The young Germans are not interested to work, only earn money. Perhaps it is the same in UK? for sure its the same in Sweden. And in Cyprus

And a final remark about Eastern Europe. Dont forget that Poland is the only EU member that has gone through this financial crisis with a GDP growth during every year

[deks36]

Finacially I think the whole world is screwed, money was to easy to get and now we are all paying the price
Military expense? i think I know where thats going so lets just make a remark about previous times the UK military expense in times gone by has been to the benefit of the whole world and largely to Europe
present day possible we should be putting that money to good use back at home
but some of the world problems do need outside help, it would be nice if some other countries dug in and helped out and possible it would be very good for thr the UK to maybe once sit one out and let another country sort it .

Sadly there is good and bad in all nations its the way of the world