Newbie Canadian migrant

[mr.india]

Thanks Jovi, but both the links are not working.. please post again.

[jovi]

Mr. India, opps! amazed why its not working , so try this.

expatforum dot com slash forum , and under the canadian discussion find aus vs canada.

hope this works and u will find valuable info, by the way do u have got any update of upcoming revised modl in oct, in context of it profession, i would like to aply for acs but afraid if this profession is removed?

what is your status of acs?

[mr.india]

Thanks man..

Regarding my ACS, i Sent them a e-mail yesterday, they replied that my CO is on leave, should be finalized next week when she returns. I am not sure how new modl is gonna work, as if in acs assessment they will write weather you have skills to be nominated for MODL CSL or not.. Once it is there.. you would be able to claim those points.. Correct me if I am wrong.

Regards,

[jovi]

yes Mr. India, u r right, acs must confirm the skill in their assessment.

I am gona post a question in Aus form, as this is not relevent to ask on this forum, hope u will give some opinion, it is about acs assessment.

Thx

[scharlack]

Originally Posted by jovi

Hi all,

I am on the same boat as Mr. India is on, its very difficult to decide where to ahead, this is really a daunting task, i myself qualify for Aus CSL and 38 occupations in Canada, but still undecided where to go, this is right it depend on your preferences about life, values, culture of the new country, like me I am grown up under 50 C temperature in middle east, it is horrible for me to imagine myself to live in -40 C in Canada, but in Aus life is looks to be very idle, the recent news of racism creates a havoc among the indo pak migrants, where as in Canada it looks to be very friendly not a arrogant Aus style. But job crisis in Canada for immigrants are very severe, even u r champ in your field, one must be ready to do the odd job in the first couple of months, they ask Canadian experience and Canadian style English. Also salaries structure in comparison with Aust is quit low specially in IT field, plus the taxes ratio is much higher in Canada, so these all joblessness, low wages, high taxes now emerging a new gangster state specially new Canadian youth is drug addict, very special in Vancouver region, crimes are very high, though high in Oz as well but still manageable, medical system is too overburden that u cant get the doc appointment before a week in Canada.

It is all what i get from the net, neither i been Canada or Aus, i been in middle east and now in Pakistan, but definitely wants to go away from this system as u all know why?

There is always pros and cons for every aspect of decision, but really i couldn't find a single link where one really give the best out of these 2 friendly immigrant countries.

One must look the NotCanada.com | The Truth About Immigration To Canada for further ills in Canadian society, i was trying to find the same for Aus but unable.

I will be very grateful if some one can give more insight on this topic" Aus or Canada"

In regard of Canada can some one give me the current time frame for the Federal Skill Program under 38 professions for Pakistanies, i heard it is completed within 1 year, where as Provincial program is much faster than Federal but job offer compulsion is there and to stick to that region for 2 years from where one has applied for PNP, so PNP is faster or Federal. But i am more intersted in Federal route.

Thanks!

Hello,

I might sound blunt but I hope you don't get offended.

You both appear not to have read the OFFICIAL website about immigration rules and process for Canada. Yes, it's large, but you have to read it. There is no such a thing as "Canada will arrange you employment, Canada will knock on your door set you up, etc".

I refused to watch the notcanada dot com video. Why?

Because when you move to CAN, AUS, UK, the USA, etc to find a job you are a RISK and that's why they ask for local experience.

The guy I know in Sydney drove a taxi until he found a great IT job in a multinational, so don't think AUS is going to treat you much better than CAN.

As you may know, leaving your country is hard. If you want a good job you have to be prepared for it and sometimes accept temporary conditions that you did not plan for. But if you work hard, these conditions will only be temporary.

Remember: you need to work hard in your country do get a good job and good pay. Why would you think it would be easier elsewhere being a foreigner and representing a risk (AND sometimes not 100% fluent in the local language).

Hope you take no offense and I wish you the best of luck on your decisions.

Cheers

[jovi]

Originally Posted by scharlack

Hello,

I might sound blunt but I hope you don't get offended.

You both appear not to have read the OFFICIAL website about immigration rules and process for Canada. Yes, it's large, but you have to read it. There is no such a thing as "Canada will arrange you employment, Canada will knock on your door set you up, etc".

I refused to watch the notcanada dot com video. Why?

Because when you move to CAN, AUS, UK, the USA, etc to find a job you are a RISK and that's why they ask for local experience.

The guy I know in Sydney drove a taxi until he found a great IT job in a multinational, so don't think AUS is going to treat you much better than CAN.

As you may know, leaving your country is hard. If you want a good job you have to be prepared for it and sometimes accept temporary conditions that you did not plan for. But if you work hard, these conditions will only be temporary.

Remember: you need to work hard in your country do get a good job and good pay. Why would you think it would be easier elsewhere being a foreigner and representing a risk (AND sometimes not 100% fluent in the local language).

Hope you take no offense and I wish you the best of luck on your decisions.

Cheers

Hi,

These are very nice thoughts u have shared, i know that neither Canada or Aus or even any other country else on our beloved planet earth can be more beautiful and living comfortable than our native one, but this is dilemma for any expatriate to leave his country for a better life, to totally a Alien planet for him, and most countable is language, i believe this website is amenity for any intended expatriate, now the thing is that Mr. India wants to go Canada and he needs info about it but none of any Moderator on this forum helps him, very pathetic, if i compare to other forums like Australia forum, do post the thread and quickly u will got the reply, here me and Mr. India still are wandering but none has bother to tell us the procedure, timeline or any info relevant to Mr. India questions, even these are posted earlier, we couldn't find the info that’s why we are here.

And u yourself belong to Portugal, so what u know about Canada or Aus, if have any info do share with us, The point is that Canadian gov. is running the business, every principal applicant has to bring the 10,000 Canadian dollar in Canada, by statistics nearly 250,000 expact. go to Canada yearly, so simple math’s 250,000 * 10,000 = 2.5 Billion dollar annually just by this, second major issue with expact. is of recognitions of education they acquired in their country, if i have 14 years education, Canada say no 14 -2 = 12, now complete 2 years here, mostly cases, they need white color professions Managerial positions, as these highly sophisticated future taxi drivers or pizza delivery boys will be less involves in any criminal activity, look at Vancouver area, don’t u read out the scary stories of these drug mafia and gangs over there, why these information is not shared on this forum, why u all reluctant to accept the reality of Canadian society by saying i will not read the website, no to go to Canada dot com, come on man this is world of technology, i am not bias against Canada but neither i am saying Aus is heaven, racism is there, jobs are also not easily available but still better probability to get one self survived over their.

So buddy cheer up and any one on this forum can let us give valuable info about IT profession scope, the immigration time taken, and other valuable info will be highly appreciated.

Cheers!

[scharlack]

Originally Posted by jovi

Hi,

These are very nice thoughts u have shared, i know that neither Canada or Aus or even any other country else on our beloved planet earth can be more beautiful and living comfortable than our native one, but this is dilemma for any expatriate to leave his country for a better life, to totally a Alien planet for him, and most countable is language, i believe this website is amenity for any intended expatriate, now the thing is that Mr. India wants to go Canada and he needs info about it but none of any Moderator on this forum helps him, very pathetic, if i compare to other forums like Australia forum, do post the thread and quickly u will got the reply, here me and Mr. India still are wandering but none has bother to tell us the procedure, timeline or any info relevant to Mr. India questions, even these are posted earlier, we couldn't find the info that’s why we are here.

And u yourself belong to Portugal, so what u know about Canada or Aus, if have any info do share with us, The point is that Canadian gov. is running the business, every principal applicant has to bring the 10,000 Canadian dollar in Canada, by statistics nearly 250,000 expact. go to Canada yearly, so simple math’s 250,000 * 10,000 = 2.5 Billion dollar annually just by this, second major issue with expact. is of recognitions of education they acquired in their country, if i have 14 years education, Canada say no 14 -2 = 12, now complete 2 years here, mostly cases, they need white color professions Managerial positions, as these highly sophisticated future taxi drivers or pizza delivery boys will be less involves in any criminal activity, look at Vancouver area, don’t u read out the scary stories of these drug mafia and gangs over there, why these information is not shared on this forum, why u all reluctant to accept the reality of Canadian society by saying i will not read the website, no to go to Canada dot com, come on man this is world of technology, i am not bias against Canada but neither i am saying Aus is heaven, racism is there, jobs are also not easily available but still better probability to get one self survived over their.

So buddy cheer up and any one on this forum can let us give valuable info about IT profession scope, the immigration time taken, and other valuable info will be highly appreciated.

Cheers!

Hello mate,

I guess we have distinct points of view and I respect yours. As you said this is a world of technology and there is loads of info out on the web. You just have dedicate a lot of your time to it.

I think if you go through the history of the forum threads you will be able to find info, so don't blame the mod for not replying... these people also go sick, take vacation, etc.

I undertand Mr India needs info and that's why I asked if you both if you had read the official immigration site. Have you gone to Welcome Page | Page d'accueil ? In fact, every info you need to go through the immigration process is there (such as police check, health checks, language requirements, etc).

I don't belong to Portugal. I am an expat in Spain and I am going to Canada in Dec 200909/Jan 2010. So, I have done a lot of reading and I read the Canadian newspapers online nearly everyday, I read blogs of people from my country to check how they are carrying on, etc. And yes, I know there are issues in the big Canadian cities but to me they are far less than most European countries. I won't even compare them to Brazil...

I will ask you a few questions.

Do you know what the % of the Canadian population are immigrants? Do you think they all deliver pizzas or drive taxi cabs?

I have over 16 years of education. However, the education systems over this planet vary a lot and I believe that's why they ask you for a minimum Canadian education. BTW, I have a mate in Toronto who has got a job and didn't have to prove any Canadian education. That's the rule. And if you want to go, you have to adjust to it and not the other way around.

I don't know if you have seen these but they are all websites for job vacancies. There are loads of IT job info on these websites

1. www dot workopolis dot com --> this one even has average salary per province and will draw up a profile on how much your average salary should be according to your position.
2. www dot monster dot com
3. craigslist dot ca

My wife's process took 1.5 years (she did the Quebec process in 2007/2008).

I believe that at the moment Canada's Federal process is only accepting people who hold IT manager positions. But then, again, you will find accurate info on the official CIC site.

I wish you the best of luck on your decisions.

Cheers

[scharlack]

Originally Posted by mr.india

Hey everyone,

Me and my wife are planning for immigration, we both are in IT field. Canada and Australia are the two destinations that we have in mind. I have done some research (in high level) online on both destinations, but I would appreciate if veretans here can guide and throw more light. As which destination is better in terms of IT oppertunities, good place to live, simplified visa / PR process and timelines.

I have approx 8 years of experience while my wife has approx 4 years experience.

Thanks in advance.

You may find this website useful.

http://ontario-cio.com/TIPS-_FOR-NEW...CANADA_PDF.pdf

[jovi]

Thx buddy, ofcourse i have given my lot of time to gather these info but still not satisfied, the more u get more u want, so CIC is a good site same as IMMI.gov.au, the issue is that the info is there is not in detail, it is very brief, i want to have more insight, for example CIC said the average time taken for 30% cases to finalize is 6 months from Islamabad but some of cases are decided in more than 2 years under this new policy for skilled worker cat, this is very vague statement, i dont want maths, i want the facts, as u have told about your spouse, but i think Qubec process is exceptional, on some where i read Qubec is another country in Canada not a province, and u r also right that some one luckily got the good jobs but the fact is that they asked Canadian style english and canadian work experience in most cases, atleast this thing is not applicable in Aus case, where my Bs degree will be Bs not Collage diploma. What i found for IT though jobs are there but mostly in Software / programming side, very less room for Networking person.

any how i hope any senior can give the answers exactly to the question asked.

all the best in your endeavors!

[anj1976]

Hi Mr.India

Have u considered the weather? I too was thinking of Canada but after speaking to about a dozen people i gave up. It is still an option for me but only if AU doesnt work. The winter there is a killer and according to a cousin who migrated 3-4 yrs back, in ontario right now, the first 2-3 years are crazy, uget depressed because of the weather, the winter almost kills you, no matter how much you cover urself, u will barely make it.

everyone gets a job, everyone manages earning his daily bread, and i am not trying to put u against the place, its just the reality tht i am stating which every asian should consider. it isnt easy living in -40 temp if u have nvr experienced it.

the procedure is simple, u give them your papers, pay the fee. u are in a que for about 6-10 months, once ur turn comes, they check ur file, ask u for additional docs like PCC, meds etc if u fall in the category, if u dont, they pay u back and move on. when i say the pay u back would be if u r no more in the list, this is my understanding, i started reading about CAN but gave up as soon as i realised its not for me. so i might be wrong but broadly this is what i understand it is like. it takes about 12-14 months for the entire processing for the 38 skills in the list