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My husband and I and are three children, age 11, 8 and 5 are considering a move to Toronto, Canada next year from Ireland.

Any advice would be much appreciated. Where to live, schools, jobs (my husband is a Mechanical Engineer/Construction Project Manager), way of life, standard and cost of living (couldn't be as much as in Dublin) etc.

This would be a huge move for us so negative as well as positive feedback would be great.

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My husband and I and are three children, age 11, 8 and 5 are considering a move to Toronto, Canada next year from Ireland.

Any advice would be much appreciated. Where to live, schools, jobs (my husband is a Mechanical Engineer/Construction Project Manager), way of life, standard and cost of living (couldn't be as much as in Dublin) etc.

This would be a huge move for us so negative as well as positive feedback would be great.

Thanks.

Anne
The answer of where to live comes down to your personal preferences. The Greater Toronto Area (GTA) has a larger population than the Irish Republic, so do you want urban, suburban or rural? All areas have good schools, recreational facilities and transporation. I don't know about the cost of living in Dublin but Toronto is towards the top of Canadian cities. The standard of living is very good with Toronto ranked 15th in the world for quality of life.

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Thank you for answering me. Ideally we would like to live about 45mins outside the city in a family orientated area. Good transportation links to the city would be important.

At the moment Dublin is the 15th most expensive city in the world to live and Toronto is ranked 54th so I think that answers my question on cost of living.

What is the typical school day in Canada - do children ususally walk to school or do they use the school bus ? Don't know any Canadians - are they a laid back people or do they tend to be workaholics ?

How would you rate quality of life in Canada compared to Scotland - we know Scotland very well and have many friends living there.

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Thank you for answering me. Ideally we would like to live about 45mins outside the city in a family orientated area. Good transportation links to the city would be important.
Toronto is on Lake Ontario and suburbia is to the north, east and west. The main transport link into the city is what's known as the GO Transit system. The main line, which has the most trains, runs east to west (or west to east if you prefer) right through the city centre. On this line you have the suburban cities of, from east to west, Oshawa, Whitby, Ajax, Pickering, Toronto, Mississauga, Oakville, Burlington and Hamilton. I live in Pickering so it takes 40 minutes by train plus the time to get to the station( for me 10 minutes). All these towns have good schools, community activities, shopping and close proximity to the lake and water activities

At the moment Dublin is the 15th most expensive city in the world to live and Toronto is ranked 54th so I think that answers my question on cost of living.

What is the typical school day in Canada - do children ususally walk to school or do they use the school bus ? Don't know any Canadians - are they a laid back people or do they tend to be workaholics ?
Walking or bussing depends on distance from the school but both are done. Canadians are regarded as laid-back by other expats here but are considered as working too long hours.

How would you rate quality of life in Canada compared to Scotland - we know Scotland very well and have many friends living there.
In my opinion and for me there is no comparison. I have never regretted settling here. Canada has been very good to me and I hope vice versa. Hopefully you know winters can be harsh here but compensated for by Spring/Summer/Fall. You must embrace the winter and with kids get involved in winter activities such as skating, skiing, snowmobiling etc.
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Oakville and Burlington are both very nice, low-crime, family-oriented cities. However, if you are driving into downtown Toronto the commute can be pretty frustrating. It will take you over an hour on a good day. The QEW backs up pretty bad through Oakville so if you drive you would want to live East of the Ford Plant (Ford Dr). The Go Train from Burlington to Union station in Toronto is about 50 minutes. From Oakville it's about 40.

The commute from Mississauga would be much easier and you can catch the TTC into downtown which is cheaper than the GO Train. Mississauga is densely populated but there is a lot of good shopping there. Areas such as Erin Mills and Streetsville are particularly nice.

Another option is Brampton. You don't want to live close to the airport but some of the newer areas (especially NW) are very nice. A lot of families, new homes, new schools. The GO train from Brampton will take you about 40 - 50 minutes.

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My husband and I and are three children, age 11, 8 and 5 are considering a move to Toronto, Canada next year from Ireland.

Any advice would be much appreciated. Where to live, schools, jobs (my husband is a Mechanical Engineer/Construction Project Manager), way of life, standard and cost of living (couldn't be as much as in Dublin) etc.

This would be a huge move for us so negative as well as positive feedback would be great.

Thanks.

Anne
Hi Anne
Lots to think about, we moved from Meath just this July, us and two kids (5 & 3)
If you have the mind set that what you buy for a Euro compared to what you buy for a dollar, I would consider Canada feels expensive, the Jury is still out. I have no idea what Toronto is like as we live in a small community in the country, but here is a run down from an Irish perspective and not in any particulr order
Tax
Remember everything you see has no tax on it, i.e. Electrical good, cars, CD, DVDs etc, so always allow to add 13% on top
Driving
Drivers license; You have two choices Irish or UK, they have three levels over here, G1 (provisional) G2 (excludes highways) and G (full), If you come over with your Irish license, you MUST get a letter from you County council confirming how many years driving you have had (it may help) without this you definatly start off having to apply for the G1 (cost $85) and cannot drive on your own, you must pass a theory test, which requires studying their codes as questions are related to their points system etc, and then a driving test. This gives you a G1, if you are lucky enough they might accept you letter and let you go apply for the G2 (still $85), you then need to pass the theory test, then a highway test for the full G($75), if you can transfer your Irish to a UK or Northern Irish license, then do it, make sure they state the same starting date as your Irish (how you do that I do not know), then you can do a straight swap for a G ($125), but either way ask how many years they are crediting your new license with, politly argue for the full term, if they say less (this helps with Insurance). Ask them for a “drivers absract” (record, $12), might be next door, note during this time you can drive a hire car on your Irish/UK license
Car Insurance
You thought Irish insurance was expensive, think again, firstly, you may not be able to drive without a Canadian license, your years of driving affects your insurance, the longer you been driving the better, also get letters from your insurance company/s confirming how long you have been claims free, longer the better, get these signed by your solicitor as being “presented to them as original”, get this stamped by the Irish Consular in Dublin (€20 each), nothing else will do.
To sum this up, my husband with a Uk license swapped to a G, he had certified 9 years claim free, is using his companies insurance company and is still paying $2,200 per year, in 3 years it will come down to approx $1400, quotes went as high as $4000 per car, for a car worth $7000!, back home is was $600 for a $36,000 car, and I can only drive for 30 days on my Irish, after that I stay at home, until I pass
Buying a car
Firstly you cannot buy a car without a Canadian license (see above), allow for the tax not shown, 13%. Talk to people about buying privately, it really is “let the buyer beware”, you can buy private car which has a loan on it and that loans becomes yours, there are checks for this, but talk to people first, then their is a “ certified cert” (like NCT) and a separate “Emissions test (like the NCT), dealers generally give you all of this. Car tax is low, about $74 per year or part thereof, dealers will also try to sell you a warranty as no one keeps log books with service records! Your choice we did,
Weather
See others for the winter, summer (especially in GTA) can be hot, talking about 27+ and because of the lakes, the humidity can be high and that makes it feel even hotter, and that also creates the wildest lighting storms, like you have never experienced in Ireland, but imagine this, we looked out and saw a typical Irish grey cold looking day, shivered, stepped out and felt warm! mad
Phones
Phones are expensive, check them out carefully, unless in your plans, you pay for outgoing and incoming calls, texts etc, be aware that in a free text plan, outgoing international texts are extra, voice mail can be extra, out of your local area (say north west Dublin) is charged as long distance, and extra, they block numbers so you have to pay if you want to know who it is, anything you took for granted in Europe you may be paying for over here, the sales guy admitted that in the 1st world Canada is one of the most expensive in the world. If you have a good phone, and want to use it, make sure it is unlocked before you leave, to do it here is expensive and takes time here, and use phone cards or skype for ringing home
Utilities
You should get a letter from the ESB and/ or Bord Gais confirming you standing as a good payer, that may offset having to pay a $285 security deposit
Banks
Depending upon who you use, you may be charged monthly for your account, for each cheque, for each debit (on line or counter), banks put limits on new comers, i.e. we found after that we would have to make two bank transfers ($1.50 each) to pay our rent as it exceeded our limit
Electrics
This is covered by others, basics it's all 110v over here, so none of your TV, DVD player etc works, PC's should do, check, ours did, just need the right plug, we bought the cheapest DVD player here ($28) and luckily it plays all our kids stuff
Schools
Forgive me but I am presuming you might use a Catholic school, ours require our children's birth cert, baptismal cert and record of immunisation, you can check with the Toronto Catholic board

GTA is busy, been there once, I have driven the M50, UK M25, the highways here seem fuller but move! We have met other Irish and they would not move back, more importantly their kids would not move, they enjoy their life more, you are encouraged to give them sports by tax credits on what they play and do. Don't be mistaken the same stuff still happens, the odd shootings, tornado's, strikes etc, but right now it feels good

Apart from all of that we still love it, the kids love it, in our area there are clean small play parks, none are vandalised!! with slides, climbing frame etc, my husbands journey home is 20 minutes (was 60-90) and at a max 80kph (50 mph!). We are struggling until I can work as a nurse, but hopefully it will all work out, if you want more let me know
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Lots to think about, we moved from Meath just this July, us and two kids (5 & 3)
If you have the mind set that what you buy for a Euro compared to what you buy for a dollar, I would consider Canada feels expensive, the Jury is still out. I have no idea what Toronto is like as we live in a small community in the country, but here is a run down from an Irish perspective and not in any particulr order
Tax
Remember everything you see has no tax on it, i.e. Electrical good, cars, CD, DVDs etc, so always allow to add 13% on top
Driving
Drivers license; You have two choices Irish or UK, they have three levels over here, G1 (provisional) G2 (excludes highways) and G (full), If you come over with your Irish license, you MUST get a letter from you County council confirming how many years driving you have had (it may help) without this you definatly start off having to apply for the G1 (cost $85) and cannot drive on your own, you must pass a theory test, which requires studying their codes as questions are related to their points system etc, and then a driving test. This gives you a G1, if you are lucky enough they might accept you letter and let you go apply for the G2 (still $85), you then need to pass the theory test, then a highway test for the full G($75), if you can transfer your Irish to a UK or Northern Irish license, then do it, make sure they state the same starting date as your Irish (how you do that I do not know), then you can do a straight swap for a G ($125), but either way ask how many years they are crediting your new license with, politly argue for the full term, if they say less (this helps with Insurance). Ask them for a “drivers absract” (record, $12), might be next door, note during this time you can drive a hire car on your Irish/UK license
Car Insurance
You thought Irish insurance was expensive, think again, firstly, you may not be able to drive without a Canadian license, your years of driving affects your insurance, the longer you been driving the better, also get letters from your insurance company/s confirming how long you have been claims free, longer the better, get these signed by your solicitor as being “presented to them as original”, get this stamped by the Irish Consular in Dublin (€20 each), nothing else will do.
To sum this up, my husband with a Uk license swapped to a G, he had certified 9 years claim free, is using his companies insurance company and is still paying $2,200 per year, in 3 years it will come down to approx $1400, quotes went as high as $4000 per car, for a car worth $7000!, back home is was $600 for a $36,000 car, and I can only drive for 30 days on my Irish, after that I stay at home, until I pass
Buying a car
Firstly you cannot buy a car without a Canadian license (see above), allow for the tax not shown, 13%. Talk to people about buying privately, it really is “let the buyer beware”, you can buy private car which has a loan on it and that loans becomes yours, there are checks for this, but talk to people first, then their is a “ certified cert” (like NCT) and a separate “Emissions test (like the NCT), dealers generally give you all of this. Car tax is low, about $74 per year or part thereof, dealers will also try to sell you a warranty as no one keeps log books with service records! Your choice we did,
Weather
See others for the winter, summer (especially in GTA) can be hot, talking about 27+ and because of the lakes, the humidity can be high and that makes it feel even hotter, and that also creates the wildest lighting storms, like you have never experienced in Ireland, but imagine this, we looked out and saw a typical Irish grey cold looking day, shivered, stepped out and felt warm! mad
Phones
Phones are expensive, check them out carefully, unless in your plans, you pay for outgoing and incoming calls, texts etc, be aware that in a free text plan, outgoing international texts are extra, voice mail can be extra, out of your local area (say north west Dublin) is charged as long distance, and extra, they block numbers so you have to pay if you want to know who it is, anything you took for granted in Europe you may be paying for over here, the sales guy admitted that in the 1st world Canada is one of the most expensive in the world. If you have a good phone, and want to use it, make sure it is unlocked before you leave, to do it here is expensive and takes time here, and use phone cards or skype for ringing home
Utilities
You should get a letter from the ESB and/ or Bord Gais confirming you standing as a good payer, that may offset having to pay a $285 security deposit
Banks
Depending upon who you use, you may be charged monthly for your account, for each cheque, for each debit (on line or counter), banks put limits on new comers, i.e. we found after that we would have to make two bank transfers ($1.50 each) to pay our rent as it exceeded our limit
Electrics
This is covered by others, basics it's all 110v over here, so none of your TV, DVD player etc works, PC's should do, check, ours did, just need the right plug, we bought the cheapest DVD player here ($28) and luckily it plays all our kids stuff
Schools
Forgive me but I am presuming you might use a Catholic school, ours require our children's birth cert, baptismal cert and record of immunisation, you can check with the Toronto Catholic board

GTA is busy, been there once, I have driven the M50, UK M25, the highways here seem fuller but move! We have met other Irish and they would not move back, more importantly their kids would not move, they enjoy their life more, you are encouraged to give them sports by tax credits on what they play and do. Don't be mistaken the same stuff still happens, the odd shootings, tornado's, strikes etc, but right now it feels good

Apart from all of that we still love it, the kids love it, in our area there are clean small play parks, none are vandalised!! with slides, climbing frame etc, my husbands journey home is 20 minutes (was 60-90) and at a max 80kph (50 mph!). We are struggling until I can work as a nurse, but hopefully it will all work out, if you want more let me know


Hi Aoibhinn

Thank you so much for the message. It was great to get an Irish perspective on things. It would be next summer before we would be making a move, don't have our visas yet but any employment agencies my husband has spoken to both in Ireland and Canada are pretty sure we will get them as he is a skilled worker and there is a huge shortage in Canada in his field.

We are also living in Meath, Ratoath and love it here but the recession has hit hard. My husband is now working in the UK, travelling over on Monday and back on Friday and we have had enough of it already. He just wants to be in a good, secure job and be able to come home at a decent hour every evening. Want a good standard of living, low cost (don't want to be millionaires) just have some extra cash every month to do things with the kids and on the weekend. Do you think, from the little time you have been there, that this is achievable ? I know from your letter that things like insurance, phones seem to be expensive but overall do you find food, clothing, etc. chepaer ?

Have some questions for you, hope you don't think I am being too nosey ! Did you have jobs sorted before you went out and if so how did you go about this ? Are you renting a house and how much would we be expected to pay ? Where we live will obviously depend on where Noel gets a job, but we were hoping to only have one car so good transportation would be important.

Catholic schools would be our first choice, but wouldn't be the be all and end all if they didn't go to one. What is the typical school day, do kids usually walk or use the school bus ? Have they uniforms, school dinners etc. ? Is education free ?

My younger two, aged 5 and 8 would have no problems moving, but my 11 year old is not too keen but I think he would adapt. How do you find the Canadians ? are you living in a housing estate where kids play outside or do you live in the country ?

Would love to hear your thoughts on the above when you get a minute. Thanks for taking the time to reply to me - best of luck with everything.

Noel and Anne Egan

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Hi Anne

Just wondering if you have made the move?

We are considering going in 2010 May. Love to hear where you are planning to go and how you are finding it all?

We are using an immigration lawyer,

Aoibhinn, whereabouts did you settle, we are looking at Vancouver, Toronto and Halifax.

Love to hear everything you have to say.

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Thank you so much for the message. It was great to get an Irish perspective on things. It would be next summer before we would be making a move, don't have our visas yet but any employment agencies my husband has spoken to both in Ireland and Canada are pretty sure we will get them as he is a skilled worker and there is a huge shortage in Canada in his field.

We are also living in Meath, Ratoath and love it here but the recession has hit hard. My husband is now working in the UK, travelling over on Monday and back on Friday and we have had enough of it already. He just wants to be in a good, secure job and be able to come home at a decent hour every evening. Want a good standard of living, low cost (don't want to be millionaires) just have some extra cash every month to do things with the kids and on the weekend. Do you think, from the little time you have been there, that this is achievable ? I know from your letter that things like insurance, phones seem to be expensive but overall do you find food, clothing, etc. chepaer ?

Have some questions for you, hope you don't think I am being too nosey ! Did you have jobs sorted before you went out and if so how did you go about this ? Are you renting a house and how much would we be expected to pay ? Where we live will obviously depend on where Noel gets a job, but we were hoping to only have one car so good transportation would be important.

Catholic schools would be our first choice, but wouldn't be the be all and end all if they didn't go to one. What is the typical school day, do kids usually walk or use the school bus ? Have they uniforms, school dinners etc. ? Is education free ?

My younger two, aged 5 and 8 would have no problems moving, but my 11 year old is not too keen but I think he would adapt. How do you find the Canadians ? are you living in a housing estate where kids play outside or do you live in the country ?

Would love to hear your thoughts on the above when you get a minute. Thanks for taking the time to reply to me - best of luck with everything.

Noel and Anne Egan

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Just wondering if you have made the move?

We are considering going in 2010 May. Love to hear where you are planning to go and how you are finding it all?

We are using an immigration lawyer,

Aoibhinn, whereabouts did you settle, we are looking at Vancouver, Toronto and Halifax.

Love to hear everything you have to say.

thanks
Hi Aoife

We are currently living in a place call Rockwood Ontario Its about 50 mins south west of Toronto Airport in the countryside.It is rural village which has about 12000 people in surrounding areas. Its a nice area No crime, good for my two kids 5 and 3 . Let us Know if you need anymore help.

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That sounds good Aoibhinn! Did it take you long to decide where to live?

Are you homesick much? Anything you miss? Do your children like it? Mine are 6months and 3 so pre-school. Did you feel your quality of life improved much? Does your husband work in Toronto city? And finally how do you find the schools and ofcourse the weather

Sorry for all the questions!!!!! I'm nervous about dragging the kids half way across the world if its not the right move, although with my husband out of work here there is not alot to stay for at the moment!

Have you made friends with other mums? That's a big fear of mine that I might get sidelined at home if I don't get part time work straight away...

anyways great to hear your kids love it and are happy )

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